Gun Control -- you gotta like this guy

Now THAT'S my kind of politician!

It's sad that saying that seems so ourtrageous because of our politically correct society.
 
Lets run him for president. I own a gun or 10 or 12 or on and on. Know how to use them all!
 
He's got guts to put that out there. I don't know what his other views are but he would have my vote so far.

As a fellow gun owner, (22 rifle, Nazi 32 pistol, beretta 32, Mac-90) I can appreciate the statement.

However, EVERYONE having guns.. I don't know about that.

I know some people that are great when sober but when they get a alcohol buzz on turn into mean idots. I would not want them to be gun owners.

It makes me wonder if the clogged local courts and thin enforcement problems could not be reduced by setting a policy of not procesicuting consensual crimes?
 
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Some people are not intimidated by the bark of a dog, they need to be bitten before they can learn to listen for the bark, once folks know he will bite with no bark, they wont even mess around the house.John Wayne and Clint Eastwood had the bite they didn't to bark. Once people understand this it all self-explanatory.
"After all once you kill the first one the rest are easy"
 
We have a county in New Mexico (Yes! It's one of our fifty) that got fed up with the crime element coming over from the Phoenix area. :mad:
They made a law that every household have at least one readily available, ready to shoot firearm. I think they did the right thing by adding a clause that also required firearm safety be taught in all school grades and provided free firearm safety/usage for any adult in the county.
Oh politically correct horrors... :eek: a couple of pot heads got shot trying to rob an old lady in the country. Amazingly, their crime rate dropped back to zip. ;)
The ony people who should fear guns in the hands of citizens are corrupt polititiions, lawyers, and criminals. Wait a minute... that's redundant. :rolleyes:

 
Kidd comes home and very hungry on Mother Mary vapors . . .
It is cold and he has his hood up and his headphones on loud . . .
Decided not to bother parents and using the fridge light is having a late night snack
Father wakes up with noises, pick his gun up and see the "intruder" . . . calls his son's name and got no anwer . . .aimed and fired one single bullet killing the "invader"
Another house going gunless!
The new gun laws in Brazil helped reduce by 18% the deaths in the last two years, but the stats dont elaborate, I think the accidental rate has declined more than the bad guys actions. Still more than 40 thousand deaths a year is a little too much.
Education is a better weapon!
Heron
 
donshoebridge said:
I hope this mayor's attitude spreads to other cities.
By all means let’s get more weapons into all our major inner city areas. That'll really help reduce crime and allow all those helpless gang members to protect their turf from their rivals coming from the other side of town.

http://www.columbia.edu/cu/news/00/03/gunViolence.html
 
From a study conducted by the University of Utah :

"The issue of "home defense" or protection against intruders may well be misrepresented. Of 626 shootings in or around a residence in three U.S. cities revealed that, for every time a gun in the home was used in a self-defense or legally justifiable shooting, there were four unintentional shootings, seven criminal assaults or homicides, and 11 attempted or completed suicides (Kellermann et al, 1998). Over 50% of all households in the U.S. admit to having firearms (Nelson et al, 1987). It would appear that, rather than being used for defense, most of these weapons inflict injuries on the owners and their families."

There's no question that a criminal would rather accost an unarmed victim than an armed one, but it seems that this security comes with its own significant cost.

I have to admit I'm torn on the issue of gun ownership. I've never owned a gun in my life. Common sense tells me that guns should only be carried by those who are trained to use them and tasked with enforcing the law. But after witnessing what went on in New Orleans a few weeks back I have to say I've been strongly considering buying one.

Personally I believe the aforementioned mayor of Montgomery AL would get a lot more bang for his buck (no pun intended) if he spent his efforts addressing the poverty and crap education system his city has (among the worst in the country), rather than encouraging gun ownership. People don't jack cars, burglarize homes, mug pedestrians, etc simply because its fun. Crime and poverty go hand in hand.
 
Facts are in

Facts are in

Look, the facts are in. You dont have to be a gun nut to know that an armed society is a polite society. It is when the balance of power is unequal that nasty things happen. Do the math, you cant have a cop at all places at all times.

The gov grabbed all the guns in LA even from registered, and innocent home owners who were just scared about getting mugged. They kicked in the doors of elderly women, broke their legs dragging them out of their own houses for their own "protection". Please. The bill of rights does not say who gets to tell who can have freedom, protection, privacy.

There are plenty books and stories about how it cannot happen here yet it is. Just like in starwars fashion.


There are many factual stories about towns and cities pursuing a gun safety and carry laws to combat crime. Fact is they work, and criminals move to easier pickings.

Jonathan
 
Common sense tells me that guns should only be carried by those who are trained to use them and tasked with enforcing the law.

My common sense tells me that God gave every living creature the right to defend themselves, and with current technology, a gun is the best way to do that.

I certainly don't think everyone is suited to own one, nor should they be forced to.

But in the current climate if you own one and talk of using it for self defense that makes you a "gun nut".

The courts have ruled that police have no obligation to protect individuals and therefore cannot be sued for failing to do so.

Basically, you're on your own. The police come by to clean up the mess and try to figure out who did it.

If you're happy with that, then live and be well. For me, I choose to take responsibility for protecting myself and my loved ones.

I can dig up just as many statistics that show gun ownership reduces crime, etc, yada yada yada.

Do what you feel is right, just don't look down on others who choose differently.
 
Be careful taking that Home Defense study at its face value. If this is the one I am remembering it was slanted towards a negative outcome from the onset with how it categorized and counted some of the criminal assault. Police shoot bad guy = criminal assault. When the truth came out, the “study” fell from popularity in most circles.

Education in handling firearms and when to use them are two different subjects of study but each is imperative to the safe and correct handling of firearms. The gangs and robbers already have their guns. And those people do not care about you or your rights or your life.

It’s a personal choice weather or not you should possess a firearm of your own. A firearm carries responsibility. Others should not dictate that choice to you one way or the other. You should also remember that only you are responsible for your security.

Sorry about the ranting
27 years as a police officer, now retired with what is left of my sanity
Wilson
Hernando Fl.

Hernando Fl.
 
With all of the background checks to buy a gun nowadays, the common street thug is not going to walk into a store and buy a gun. Criminals get guns one of two ways - either they have their friend buy it for them (which is a crime [funny how the law doesn't deter anyone]) or they steal them.

As far as I'm concerned, if you have a gun and do nothing to keep it from being taken from you, you deserve what happens to you. With that being said, I say let everyone carry, concealed or otherwise, and you protect that firearm and your life at all costs.

Laws can be passed to outlaw ALL firearms in our major cities. But at some point, the law abiding people of the city will either buy a gun for protection (which would be illegal) or leave the city altogether. If that happens, who would be left? The criminals! Businesses can't do business in a high crime environment. Robberies and employee safety become a huge concern and a major liability to the company. If a person were to be killed, robbed, etc. on company property, you can bet that the company would be sued. There would be no reason for a company to stay in the area, so they pack up and leave, which is exactly what happened with the company that I currently work for.

15 years or so ago, Martin Yale Industries was based in Chicago. Crime and taxes got so bad that the owner of the company packed up EVERYTHING and moved to Wabash, Indiana, a sleepy little town 2 hours north of Indianapolis. Criminal actions against the company and its employees all but ceased, and Chicago lost a $15M/year company - no more taxes!

A perfect example of how "disarming" does not work happened in LA during the riots in the early 90's. Korean store owners were defending their stores with accurate gun fire, which was one hell of a deterrent. They had been holding their ground for quite awhile. CNN was broadcasting from a couple of the stores. Interesting video. The LA police were also watching TV that day and they went to the stores, arrested everyone there, confiscated all of the firearms, and released everyone on bail. When the Korean store owners went back to there stores, they found the burning hulks of their businesses. Thank you LA!

Portland, OR, 1992 – A frustrated downtown store owner finally bought a gun after being robbed 3 times within a 2 month period. She made such a stink about it that the local TV station went to her store for an interview. She made it quite clear that she was not going to put up with being robbed again and she had gone out and bought the biggest handgun she could find – nickel plated .44 mag! This women was only about 100 pounds. She even pulled the gun out from a toaster oven and showed everyone that she had it. I don’t know what happen to her after her interview. I didn’t here anything after that.

Portland, OR, 1992 – A young lady was taking a shower at her boyfriends house one late afternoon. She was there alone and could hear strange noises coming from the living room. She got out of the shower, put a towel around her, walked down the hallway to the living room. As she entered the living room, the front door was busted down and a man was coming after her. She turned around, ran back to the bedroom, closed the door and retrieved the boyfriends handgun. Just as she did, the bedroom door was kicked in. The bad guy, seeing the gun, turned around and ran for the front door. She chased him all the way to the front door where she fired several rounds striking the man in the back. He died about 100 yards from the front door of the house. She was taken to the Portland police station, interviewed and then released, with the boyfriends gun in-hand. No charges were filed. When she started shooting, the guy was already off of the property.

Dayton, OH, 2001 – A bar owner, tiered of being robbed all the time, started to keep a shotgun behind the bar for protection. One afternoon, just after the lunch rush, 3 men entered the bar in an attempt to rob the place (again). One man pointed a gun at the bar owner but the owner grabbed his gun and a fire fight started. The 3 men began to back their way out of the bar, all the while the bar owner was firing and advancing toward them. The fire fight continued in the street outside where one bad guy was killed and another was wounded, the third got away. Not charges were filed against the bar owner. However, the wounded man was charged with murder for the death of his criminal buddy. The third man was never caught as far as I know. Maybe he was scared straight.

There are HUNDREDS of stories like these that don’t get told. Knowing that laws are nothing more than government wishes, if there isn’t a sufficient police force to enforce them, then the laws are useless. So outlawing firearms within cities in an attempt to squelch crime is only going to create a dictatorial environment. As has been mentioned, the police are “law enforcement”, not “crime prevention”. Crime prevention starts with the intended victim, not the government. The police are not obligated to protect you. If they were, they could be sued by victims because the police didn’t stop the crime from happening. Sounds pretty silly to me too. No matter. Go ahead and outlaw all firearms and watch what happens. You think that crime is bad now…
 
Gun ownership

Gun ownership

I'm glad this debate is over there. Here in Australia, the federal government has severely restricted the ownership of guns, and whislt I argue that I'm a sensible and responcible gum owner, who'd like to defend his family and home if attacked, I'm notsure about the guy I haven't met yet. Would I like him to have a gun as well... not if he's in my house.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not a touchy feely bleeding heart liberal. I strongly believe that I could live with having to shoot someone, but could I live with the fact that I may have shot someone for the wrong reasons? I'm not so sure.

The other point here is, would the courts see my reasons as justified? These days, its a strong possibility they wouldn't. Reasonable force is such a subjective thing in everyone's eyes.

Ted
 
I strongly believe in the right to bear arms but I also think firearm safety classes are very important. Also, as someone else mentioned, some sort of instruction regarding the legality of using lethal force should also be taught along with the firearm safety. I think it's the concealed firearms safety class that teaches that stuff but it should be included in all firearms safety classes.

I don't believe everyone should own a gun for some of the same reasons others have already mentioned. Just imagine the people that show up on Jerry Springer with access to firearms.

My home defense/hurricane disaster kit includes a loaded Glock and a sport utility rifle with 2 40 round mags.
 
I've never seen any pro gun control study that didn't look Highly slanted towards getting the results they wanted in the first place.

England has a rapidly growing crime rate and the most restrictive gun control laws in the world. That alone should settle the case against gun control.

I did read a compelling theory that the decline in the crime rate since 1992 has more to do with the liberalization of abortion than anything else. They were able to show a very statistically signifigant relationship between the increased numbers of abortions by single, poor, and at-risk women with lower numbers of juvenile delinquents and later to lower numbers of adult crimes.
 
My opinion is that gun safety and education should start at home. I can remember shooting different targets with my dad. Nothing makes an impression on a kid like seeing a pumpkin explode from a shotgun slug. :D It's hard to miss the consequences of what would happen if you hit the wrong thing.

I've been shooting with my 12 year old daughter, but she doesn't have much interest in it. My son is only 5 and a bit young.
 
Lady is coming out of the range and stops by a store to buy something.
Coming back to her car a hijacker shows up gun in hand.
She has her gun at the door's pocket, opens the door, put two legs out, still seated and grabs the gun.
The thief enerved pull her our and tries to get in to the car, you know, just a scared little woman, she fires one bullet through his temple.
Good use of a gun! (But she had to be scared to become prepared and all the time thinking mankind as gone bad enough to be armed)
Having and using a gun is just a response to a problem, maybe some taxes would be better used on solving it, or at least reducing it.
Love guns, have books on it, had some of the best, now I just go to gun shows and look at them, they still beautifull. Strongly recomend the S&W 9 mil, black with golden trims, made in Brazil by Taurus, precious.
Yes, there are places and moments that a well used weapon is a good resource, but the misuse is way bigger than the good deeds.
I am kinda flip-flop on the issue ain't I?
Heron
 
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