Master Roda
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That is explained in the video. Platinum is used because it won't break down as easily from the electrolysis.
Energy problem solved.
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That is explained in the video. Platinum is used because it won't break down as easily from the electrolysis.
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Electrodes are made from conductive but highly resistive to corrosion materials, Stainless 316, Platinum and a host of others work. However the real TRICK is the plating to form a catalytic effect. They are using cobalt and phosphates. Other videos suggest an additional mix of 1 or 3 "abundant and cheap" metals to complete the catalytic formula my guess is nickel, Iron and maybe cadmium. Either way they are probably mixed and applied and form a catalytic matrix that kicks the process into high gear.
Google or You Tube Stan Meyers water powered car. He patented decades ago an apparatus for efficient hydrolysis. He too was friend ed by the DOD and was working on a "tank" conversion for the Military before he was given the "golden handshake" and died of a heart attack after a "celebration" luncheon. His family has been sworn to secrecy, in addition to their lives being in jeopardy.
With MIT I think Dan is a well meaning but naive person who overestimates his personal safety if he is not involved in this for some other purpose.
However how Dan talks about this simple process, like he invented "artificial photosynthesis". I feel his great presentations are a bit to much "Madison Ave. Eyewash" feel good crap for a scientist. Nothing he or his group at MIT are doing is original and it has nothing to do with actual "Photosynthesis" so right there it just sounds like a load of b.s. . . All they have done is experiment with different metals and formulas to get something that speeds up the process at low voltages. Stan Meyer most likely had a unified pulse width modified series of transformers that generated some kind of "harmonic" that helped the process in addition to a good set of metals. I feel it is a combo of the right metals, right energy supply that will boil off the gas efficiently.
If they hit the energy higher much more I might have to start my own energy research company...
Open source
Electrodes are made from conductive but highly resistive to corrosion materials, Stainless 316, Platinum and a host of others work. However the real TRICK is the plating to form a catalytic effect. They are using cobalt and phosphates. Other videos suggest an additional mix of 1 or 3 "abundant and cheap" metals to complete the catalytic formula my guess is nickel, Iron and maybe cadmium. Either way they are probably mixed and applied and form a catalytic matrix that kicks the process into high gear.
Google or You Tube Stan Meyers water powered car. He patented decades ago an apparatus for efficient hydrolysis. He too was friend ed by the DOD and was working on a "tank" conversion for the Military before he was given the "golden handshake" and died of a heart attack after a "celebration" luncheon. His family has been sworn to secrecy, in addition to their lives being in jeopardy.
With MIT I think Dan is a well meaning but naive person who overestimates his personal safety if he is not involved in this for some other purpose.
However how Dan talks about this simple process, like he invented "artificial photosynthesis". I feel his great presentations are a bit to much "Madison Ave. Eyewash" feel good crap for a scientist. Nothing he or his group at MIT are doing is original and it has nothing to do with actual "Photosynthesis" so right there it just sounds like a load of b.s. . . All they have done is experiment with different metals and formulas to get something that speeds up the process at low voltages. Stan Meyer most likely had a unified pulse width modified series of transformers that generated some kind of "harmonic" that helped the process in addition to a good set of metals. I feel it is a combo of the right metals, right energy supply that will boil off the gas efficiently.
If they hit the energy higher much more I might have to start my own energy research company...
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Open source does not mean what you think it means in the computer world. it means very powerful and expensive players have gotten involved with huge dollars and thus will keep the process a secret strictly by the amount of money they have invested and hope to reap from their investment. I do not believe you are going to find plans and instructions for their formula on the web any time soon. Unless they ship a unit to China....In which case all bets are off.
Open source 2
Open source does not mean what you think it means in the computer world. it means very powerful and expensive players have gotten involved with huge dollars and thus will keep the process a secret strictly by the amount of money they have invested and hope to reap from their investment. I do not believe you are going to find plans and instructions for their formula on the web any time soon. Unless they ship a unit to China....In which case all bets are off.
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The next thing would be to see the patent and if it listed the magic list of ingredients. I do not think it will. They are making a "film" on a substrate it seems. You notice in that video he says he open sourced it but then MIT holds the patent and he seems to hesitate when asked about being rich and famous. If the formula gets with the process to do it, say goodbye to oil. However if there are any rare earth metals in the formula, the powers that be have already stopped exports from China and have had to restart mining operations across the USA, I read about that last year.
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The next thing would be to see the patent and if it listed the magic list of ingredients. I do not think it will. They are making a "film" on a substrate it seems. You notice in that video he says he open sourced it but then MIT holds the patent and he seems to hesitate when asked about being rich and famous. If the formula gets with the process to do it, say goodbye to oil. However if there are any rare earth metals in the formula, the powers that be have already stopped exports from China and have had to restart mining operations across the USA, I read about that last year.
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Master Roda
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I reproduced an aluminum alloy (from patent) that dissociates hydrogen (catalytic process) from it when placed in water. It was expensive and stinks. I have video somewhere of that experiment. If it could be done cheaply, it might be a viable option.
The solar thing is similar to a process I use in my garage for making ribbon speakers. Obviously I'm not spilling on that one. It took me awhile to aquire the materials and design the process.
The theory behind the photosynthesis is nano antennae that work at the sun light frequency in terahertz.
The solar thing is similar to a process I use in my garage for making ribbon speakers. Obviously I'm not spilling on that one. It took me awhile to aquire the materials and design the process.
The theory behind the photosynthesis is nano antennae that work at the sun light frequency in terahertz.
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A question
A question
Excluding the process of converting sunlight to electricity, his project involves the direct conversion of electricity to the combustible fuel hydrogen; and then storing it.
Does anyone know if there is a means to directly convert the hydrogen and oxygen back into electricity without having to go through the combustion stage?
If not, then electrical powering of the car and the electrical devices in the house will have to go through the 'hybrid' process.
Dave
A question
Excluding the process of converting sunlight to electricity, his project involves the direct conversion of electricity to the combustible fuel hydrogen; and then storing it.
Does anyone know if there is a means to directly convert the hydrogen and oxygen back into electricity without having to go through the combustion stage?
If not, then electrical powering of the car and the electrical devices in the house will have to go through the 'hybrid' process.
Dave
Master Roda
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Your talking about a fuel cell Dave. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuel_cell
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Fuel Cells
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Fuel cells are no toy they can put out some serious juice for their size. Now they do generate heat, and you cannot push them past their limits but their duty cycle and output is nothing to laugh at.
What is a ribbon speaker Jon ?
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Fuel Cells
Fuel cells are no toy they can put out some serious juice for their size. Now they do generate heat, and you cannot push them past their limits but their duty cycle and output is nothing to laugh at.
What is a ribbon speaker Jon ?
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Master Roda
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I don't have much time so here's a short explanation:
A thin film is suspended in a magnetic field. On the film (nonconductive) is a thin layer of metal. When current is passed through the metal is creates an opposing field and moves. This reproduces sound almost perfectly because it can accelerate and decelerate very quickly.
I have designed and built a very efficient model that I may or may not reproduce for sale. It's expensive (I've already invested a bit).
I'll comment more later.
A thin film is suspended in a magnetic field. On the film (nonconductive) is a thin layer of metal. When current is passed through the metal is creates an opposing field and moves. This reproduces sound almost perfectly because it can accelerate and decelerate very quickly.
I have designed and built a very efficient model that I may or may not reproduce for sale. It's expensive (I've already invested a bit).
I'll comment more later.
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No problem Dave. I'm sure you already knew of them.
The ribbon speaker: More specifically, my design is a true dipole. It reproduces sound in front of and behind the speaker. A ribbon speaker is a "line" source. This means the sound is produced in a more linear manner than a typical cone speaker which is a "point" source. This is important because in hearing the sound you want better dispersion. A "perfect" model would be "spherical" dispersion. This may be a terrible explanation, but you get the idea.
Back to topic: I believe storing energy in what I call "Gravity Tanks" is a better solution. A gravity tank is a concept I designed that takes solar,wind, or whatever and powers a boyant vessel in a large water column underground against the force of gravity. It's a great storage system that trumps even flywheel technology. Dirt simple.
The ribbon speaker: More specifically, my design is a true dipole. It reproduces sound in front of and behind the speaker. A ribbon speaker is a "line" source. This means the sound is produced in a more linear manner than a typical cone speaker which is a "point" source. This is important because in hearing the sound you want better dispersion. A "perfect" model would be "spherical" dispersion. This may be a terrible explanation, but you get the idea.
Back to topic: I believe storing energy in what I call "Gravity Tanks" is a better solution. A gravity tank is a concept I designed that takes solar,wind, or whatever and powers a boyant vessel in a large water column underground against the force of gravity. It's a great storage system that trumps even flywheel technology. Dirt simple.
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Jonathan....
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13645_3-10422797-47.html
Ribbon speakers are like HD TV's like HD sound.
In a properly set up room, you can hear the depth.
First time I heard them was in the 1980's I worked at Hi-Fi buys
In the song "time" by Pink Floyd, when the alarm clocks go off, you could tell that they were set up in rows, It was very very cool.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13645_3-10422797-47.html
Ribbon speakers are like HD TV's like HD sound.
In a properly set up room, you can hear the depth.
First time I heard them was in the 1980's I worked at Hi-Fi buys
In the song "time" by Pink Floyd, when the alarm clocks go off, you could tell that they were set up in rows, It was very very cool.
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I know of a person who powers his lawn tractor with water in the gas tank, along with electrodes, creates hydrogen and supplies directly into standard Briggs and Stratton carburetor.
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Id like to see that, Does he use extra batteries? takes a lot of electricity, to get that much hydrogen for a small engine.
Master Roda
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I'm not sure of the benefits of that, but alot of people claim better efficiency out of it. It's only used as a suppliment to the gasoline. Or is it a pure system?
This sounds very interesting (and sensible!) - I'd love to hear more on it .... (or is it top secret?)
I'll make a desktop unit to demonstrate it. The you can build your own. It's just an idea I had...no big secret.
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I would too Scott. I.have only heard about it from a friend, not ever seen it. From what I understand he uses a separate battery supplimented by the charging system. No real modifications to the fuel.system other then sealing the fuel tank vent closed. He lives 500 miles from me, so not likely I will ever get to see in person. I do know he was a WWII Pilot. Maybe my friend can get some pics and info for me. I will post on this thread if I do
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Hey scott aren't you supposed to be at the #56 meeting today?
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Master Roda , I have a question for you. Are you drawing down an air vessel into water under harnessed power , when the power is available , and then letting the buoyancy power a generator as it tries to float up?
If so it is a clever way to harness energy , I like your thinking, that is if I got it right. Storing surplus energy to be used when it is most needed is what everybody strives to do. I applaud your thinking. That is where inventions come from.
We could winch a 1956 Buick up into the air when the wind is blowing or the sun is shining. The energy could be released later as the 1956 Buick descends to the ground. It could spin a generator at high speed. Until the Buick is back on the ground.
There are no shortcuts to storing energy. Never have been. We could use wind or solar power to pump water uphill , and then let it drive a generator at night to power our needs. Same thing. An Old Buick on a winch has the same power as water pumped behind a dam or a floating vessel submerged in water. They all equal out in the end. Except the Buick under a tripod in the front yard gets the most attention. Some bylaw officer will be quick to tell you to get rid of the eyesore. So will all the greens. They are all lost people trying to tell us about energy.
One of the best forms of energy is a gallon of Gasoline. Oil is a commodity. Better than money or gold. To have ownership in this type of energy is most clever. All the dollars will decline in the future. Oil will be the valuable commodity. Second only to a bag of potatoes. Read carefully what I say.
I encourage your inventive mind Master Roda, I like your microphone - speaker thoughts , sounds good to me , I know nothing about music. Thanks
If so it is a clever way to harness energy , I like your thinking, that is if I got it right. Storing surplus energy to be used when it is most needed is what everybody strives to do. I applaud your thinking. That is where inventions come from.
We could winch a 1956 Buick up into the air when the wind is blowing or the sun is shining. The energy could be released later as the 1956 Buick descends to the ground. It could spin a generator at high speed. Until the Buick is back on the ground.
There are no shortcuts to storing energy. Never have been. We could use wind or solar power to pump water uphill , and then let it drive a generator at night to power our needs. Same thing. An Old Buick on a winch has the same power as water pumped behind a dam or a floating vessel submerged in water. They all equal out in the end. Except the Buick under a tripod in the front yard gets the most attention. Some bylaw officer will be quick to tell you to get rid of the eyesore. So will all the greens. They are all lost people trying to tell us about energy.
One of the best forms of energy is a gallon of Gasoline. Oil is a commodity. Better than money or gold. To have ownership in this type of energy is most clever. All the dollars will decline in the future. Oil will be the valuable commodity. Second only to a bag of potatoes. Read carefully what I say.
I encourage your inventive mind Master Roda, I like your microphone - speaker thoughts , sounds good to me , I know nothing about music. Thanks
coolbaldguy
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Well I think it was just an experiment to see if the engine would run and not blow up. Then it worked so well he keeps using it to save gas.
