Building Mariah Gale

Taken out the Trash!

Taken out the Trash!

Thank you Ed, I am very pleased with the progress and the lack of roadblocks. The design is still a little more fluid than we would like.

I hope to be home tomorrow night because I miss you and I am out of clean cloths.

Thank you, Vance

Oh no now you all know just what my very real purpose is in life.....doing the laundry.

Snooky I miss you to, I need the garbage taken out...oh that's right I do that! So sorry about your Clothing Challenge, there is something that is called a Launder mat....I think you've heard of them before...maybe even dumped your laundry off there once? Love You!

The Devil Made Me Do it! };-0>

Cheers! Ed
 
If you decide to turbocharge the engine I would probably replace the high compression cylinder piston set to the low compression set.

Another avenue to up the performance from the engine would be electronic ignition and electronic fuel injection.

I do not know if the IO-320 series will handle 200 horsepower very well, as I have not seen any at this level of output. Lycoming is pushing 220 horsepower out of the 360 series, but these have a tuned intake system.

With the Mariah Gale being a one up design, I wonder if it might be best to leave the engine somewhat stock until the issues with the airframe are worked out and then consider modifying the engine. Just a thought.

The price estimates should be close and that would be left would the lord mounts, alternator and starter. With someone looking over your shoulder that has built up a Lycoming before, I do not think you would have any trouble.
 
Traveling Van!

Traveling Van!

I am home after 8 days of travel and over 1,600 miles.

Thank you Jeff,

Phil at coastal Valley Aviation had the same advice. I suspect that I will need to turbo normalize but that will come later after testing the practical ceiling.

Late Tuesday night I suspected I found a way to get my computer to talk to the print shops computer in a way it could understand. Wednesday it worked and I had a lot of different size 63-012 airfoils printed out to guide Vince in shaping the empennage.

He decided in the night to just copy the size and outline of the Mooney empennage and make the molds on his work table saving several steps and making some other ones easier.

The Mooney horizontal stabilizer has dihedral on the lower surface and that didn’t seem to us like a good idea on an autogiro.

Mike is going to help with analyzing the structure.

Vince has extensive experience with both Carbon Fiber and Kevlar.

He made the Streamliner body out of Kevlar and it held up well in the upsets.

It was very strong and light and faithfully followed the profile laid out by my friend Kevin Cooper on his computer in Ottawa.

Once the molds are done we will invite an expert in to select the materials.

It is a fill in project so the timing is uncertain but needs to happen before things get busy in the motorcycle business in the spring.

Jim and I had further discussions about the rake and trail of the front suspension. He would like around 4 inches of trail and 7 degrees and I am more inclined to two inches and 15 degrees. When I got back to SMX I stopped by Coastal Valley Aviation and measured Cirrus and it was 2 degrees and 2 inches of trail.

I have seen as little as 2 inches to as much as 6 inches of trail and rake anywhere from zero degrees to fifteen degrees. We are going to discuss it further next week. We are feeling pressure to get the completed but not finished airframe to Mike’s shop as soon as possible for the body.

I was going to go flying and found a nasty ding in my propeller as soon as I opened the hanger door. I have an email into Craig to see if he can fix it. I suspect I will not be flying the Predator for a while.

Thank you, Vance
 

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Vance- Dang, what did your Predator eat? Ed missing her camera? Its nice watching your genius at work on the Mariah Gale. Stan
 
Good news!

Good news!

I just talked to Craig Catto and I am planning on dropping the propeller off tomorrow and he is going to fix it and try to deliver it in three weeks when he comes down this way in his motor home. It is great to have a friend in the propeller business!

In the mean time I will install the Prince prop that was on the Predator when I purchased her to see if it will be on her if I sell her.

The van just keeps rolling. It is about a 10 hour drive to Craig’s propeller factory in Mokelumne Hill, California.

I will stop by Mike’s seat shop on the way up and see how things are going.

It is suposed to snow up there on Saturday through Monday so I need to get going as soon as I catch up with some work.

The snow will put off my next visit to Greenwood until November 26 because they are suposed to get quite a bit of snow there and the narrow roads are not plowed and can be treacherous .

Thank you, Vance
 
Vance

The first book I ever read was by Mickey Thompson and what he tried to accomplish at Bonneville. It was the only book I had and I read it a hundred times. Never mind the 4 Pontiac direct drive engines he had one on each wheel. I could care less about Pontiac engines.

I liked what I read about the man and what he attempted to do. Imperfect and all. I only remember the good parts.

You remind me of one of those guys who have an agenda that most of us could only dream about and the rest of us can only read about.

I look forward to your future book that I expect will give us another glimpse into the mind of men who do the things you do.

I love the metal work that it takes to build your flying machine and all your associates who construct it. They may not tell you but they recognize your story will include them as well.

I love true craftsmen who have a wild idea and can weld and build metal components and I hope you find someone to build composite bodies or whatever you desire. Aluminum is often lighter and stronger but the fabricators are rare.

Yours is a story in the making Vance. Please continue. Hi to Ed.

Your prop hit looks like hangar damage to me. I do not see it any other way. If I am wrong I would love the education.

Most of my best education came from Bonneville.

Thanks
Arnie
 
On the road again again!

On the road again again!

It probably should be Bret.

I have a friend in the propeller business and he feels he can repair it for very little money. I just got back from the 570 mile journey to deliver it to him and visit Mike and Vince to see how the planning for the empennage project is coming along.

Vince is doing a great job of planning as I imagined he would. His attitude is, “this will be easier than everyone thinks!”

Thank you Stan for the kind words,

I don’t know what hit the propeller. I did not see the damage when I put her away almost ten days ago and I did not feel any vibration in flight.

Ed wasn’t with me and she still has her camera.

I feel challenged by all the changes in direction and all the decisions about details. We don’t know what we are doing or how good it needs to be so we just make it the best we can figure out and scrap things when we discover a better way to do something.

I can be exhilarating at times. On the way up to visit Mike today I figured out a way to accomplish what I want for the main gear. I got so excited that I nearly drove off the road as I imagined touching the various parts and watching the imaginary hardware perform the task of limiting roll with generous suspension travel.

Ed knew I was getting close because I was describing things with my hands as I slept.

I have been struggling with this for quite a while. I kept coming up with half measures and rejecting them when they wouldn’t fulfill all of the requirements.

It may not work when we make the parts but so far it looks like it will work and it’s simple and light. The devil is in the details.

This comes on top of finishing the design for the front suspension, steering and steering dampener.

Thank you Arnie,

You put things beautifully.

Mickey Thompson is one of my heroes.

I hope the book will live up to your expectations. We will give it our best.

Just today Mike, Vince and I were going over some of the things I have worked on that worked well and it was clear that if I get the right people together on a project that the result is greater than the sum of its parts. I feel fortunate to have such remarkable friends that are capable of so much and are willing to share it with me.

I was telling a fellow I had just met at Mike’s seat shop about Mariah Gale, the adventure and the book. I realized about a third of the way through it was too big a dream to seem real to this nice fellow. He was polite about it but I could tell he was skeptical about the dream coming to fruition. He had lots of good reasons why my friends and I can’t just design and build an aircraft in a garage and expect it to fly across the country. He said that getting a book published is very difficult. His final conclusion was that I didn’t know enough to know that I couldn’t do it.

I don’t want to imagine that the propeller ding is hangar damage. We lost the Spitfire so there is only John and I in the corporate hangar and I have been away. There is plenty of room to get around because John’s Acrosport is a smallish aerobatic biplane and the Predator doesn’t take up much room. John is very careful around all aircraft and I am sure he would tell me if he had an accident.

He has been working on “Woodstock” because he ground looped his conventional gear aircraft and bent the propeller quite badly. He has been checking the propeller flange for run out. I am concerned for the case and there doesn’t seem to be a simple way to inspect it without tearing it down. It was a 70 inch aluminum propeller that is somewhat smaller now.

I started the Predator up before I removed the propeller Thursday and she shook in a most unpleasant way and made a strange noise. It must have happened while I was taxiing back to the hanger or I would have felt the shaking in flight. It got bad at anything over 900 RPM and became violent at 1,700 rpm. I was afraid to go any higher for fear something would break from the shaking.

I am surprised that I didn’t notice it in my post flight inspection. Part of the inspection is checking the propeller for damage and it was checked off on the list.

I may have been distracted as several people came by wondering how the flight went on such a blustery day.

I need to be more careful about getting distracted while doing my inspections.

I saw it as soon as I rolled the hanger door open just enough for me to slip through and the light wasn’t very good. The light was good during my post flight inspection.

Thank you, Vance
 
Vance- I have a spot on our coffee table reserved for your book that you and Ed are going to create. I will treasure it very much. I have two other signed books that mean a lot to me, one was delivered to me in person by Lyle Campbell telling his story of entering the Sydney to London air race. Another one was mailed to me and signed by Andy Engel, editor and publisher of Fine Homebuilding magazine..............................................I treasure these books very much, but your book will sit right dead center on my table. I will personally suggest to my guests in my home to buy one and read about one amazing person named Vance that I admire taking up space in my head. Plus his beautiful wife Ed, and her gifted touch with her photography skills and her literary touch as well, that when combined with Vance, makes them the Dynamic Duo. .....................................Vance, this journey you are taking us on is already a hit with us, just wait if the right people outside our tight circle become exposed to the Vance that I know. I have a huge positive gut feeling about your book. I am keeping my table all polished for your book! Stan
 
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A place of honor!

A place of honor!

Thank you Stan, we will do our best to fill the place of honor your have reserved for our book which doesn’t even have a title yet.

We appreciate your enthusiasm and support.

As with any challenging adventure, this odyssey is taking on a life of its own.

It is causing me to walk with some remarkable people and stretch in many ways.

I have so much to learn and I am frequently reminded of the complexity of the interactions.

I am pleased with the way Mariah Gale is coming along and the team that is forming to launch the fantasy.

Jim Belland’s enthusiasm is growing as he gets caught up in the undertaking and is working on her this weekend. We have been going back and forth on the details of the nose gear and the steering dampener.

He has rejected my design for the main gear and we hope to move forward with our next meeting. I find this back and forth helps to refine the design and so far has kept us out of trouble. I feel that I have not described it well.

It is snowing in Greenwood and should be for the next week. I hope to visit on November 29th so we can continue to move forward.

We are trying to avail ourselves of the window of opportunity that is created by the seasonality of the motorcycle business to build the fairing and the cowling.

We hope to deliver Mariah Gale to Mike’s seat shop on gear and with the engine, prerotator pump and cooling fan installed well before spring.

We can’t finish up the keel until the empennage is further along and we have a better sense of how it will be mounted.

Ed and I have three weeks of traveling to do for Counterman in February so we would like to firm things up with the body before we leave.

In 1989 at the Cincinnati trade show Mike came up with the name “Counterman” because he felt that “Santa Maria Software” was boring.

One of my friends at the FAA, Dave was concerned that we were getting a little far along without involving them more. He checked into it and found that it can wait until a couple of months before she flies.

Thank you, Vance
 
Tuesday Morning Musings...

Tuesday Morning Musings...

As the building of Mariah Gale continues and her completion...getting closer still I can't help but feel rather sad about the Predator.

Who would think you could come to love and care about a machine....maybe it has feelings...will she feel we are cheating on her?

The Predator has given us some many adventures and I do hope there will still be more to come, because I'm not ready to part with her yet!

She is what brought me into the Autogiro world and has made me appreciate all the love and care that has gone into her, by watching everyone else's builds I see it's no easy task saying "hey I'm gonna build an Autogiro"

Vance has been devoting all his time and energy to the build. Once Mariah is done.....what is in store for the Predator? She has brought so much happiness to Vance and I feel guilty moving on. I guess that's life.....still makes me rather sad all the same!

I love to think of Mariah Gale as an extension of the Predator because without her...I don't think Mariah would have taken shape and form.

What inspires somebody to create a masterpiece like the Predator the devotion...I think I now know by watching & learning from Vance. It must have been exciting and challenging for Mark Givens. For I think of the Predator is an Extension of Mark as will Mariah Gale be an Extension of Vance an my dream...it's exciting and sad all at the same time....very confusing!

Just sharing my musings...a new year is almost upon us. It will no doubt be a year of excitement, frustrations, adventure and God only know what else!
Here's to 2011 the Year of Mariah Gale the Predators Little Sister! Cheers!

I would like to wish everyone here on the Forum a very Happy Thanksgiving...what Thanksgiving truly means to me is...to be grateful for all the wonderful things we have in our lives the Good, the Bad and the Ugly for all those things are what make our universe turn and we learn and grow from those things and develop our characters as people. Here on the forum are some of the very best people I know and I am glad to to call you "family" I just wish we could all celebrate the holiday of friendship together!

Everyone here is Awesome and I love and appreciate you all, thanks for being our Very Good Friends!
Happy Holidays!
Cheers & Much Love, Ed
 
Well said ED. For this toast my cup cup is up. I wonder how many others shall join us. "

"HAPPY THANKSGIVING"
 
Well said ED. For this toast my cup cup is up. I wonder how many others shall join us. "

"HAPPY THANKSGIVING"
Jeff...
I believe this photo says it all. How amazing to be up there in the air master of the skies...the joy of flying is evident in this favorite photo of Mine!

You can see Vance is indeed on top of the world!

Here's my Clink to your Cup Cup!! Cheers!
 

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Ed- You and Vance have the haooiest Thanksgiving possible. I know I will simply because there is too much to be thanful for! Stan
 
Ed- You and Vance have the haooiest Thanksgiving possible. I know I will simply because there is too much to be thanful for! Stan
Stan,
That word is not in my vocabulary what exactly does it mean? I suspect it means something nice....is it a local saying? ;-)

Ditto in regards to having a lot to be Thankful for!
♥Ed♥
 
Ed- I meant to type 'happiest'. That's what I get for typing on a cellphone without my reading specs. Ha. Stan
 
I'm thankful for my spell checker. Without it everyone would know just how dumb I really am.
 
I'm thankful for my spell checker. Without it everyone would know just how dumb I really am.
Amen to that Brother!
Cheers! Ed
 
Helicopter expression

Helicopter expression

Got to admit "haooiest" sounds mysterious.


Haooiest is an incomprehensible helicopter expression having to do with the gratitude felt by a helicopter pilot for the enduring integrity of the ubiquitous Jesus bolt.

Thank you, Vance
 
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