About landing a helicopter

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I would like to know if a helicopter had wheels, 3 like a gyro, could it be landed like a gyrocopter. The Mosquito Air has three legs so there would be no sliding in any direction, every landing would have to be straight down perfect every time?
 
That would be called a "run-on" landing ... but instead of scraping skids, you'd simply roll.

No big deal ... but why would you ever want to waste the Heli capabilities with run-ons?
 
Amen to what Tom said. The only difference is that you don't hold your flare to drop in. You have to level the machine due to its length otherwise you'd break the tail off. Other than that it is a go!
 
That would be called a "run-on" landing ... but instead of scraping skids, you'd simply roll.

No big deal ... but why would you ever want to waste the Heli capabilities with run-ons?

The wheels would be only for an engine out landing. Wheels would also be a big plus for moving it around.
 
count the wheeled helicopters
 

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The wheels would be only for an engine out landing. Wheels would also be a big plus for moving it around.

Why do you want the wheels for an engine-out landing?

Skids are light, cheap, simple - you don't need brakes like you will with wheels for example.

Yeah, they're easier to move the helicopter around with - but you can make some ground transport ones if desired, or land it on a trailer.
 
Wheels on a helicopter do several things that skids won't. First, you can taxi on the surface, which makes a really tiny wash compared to hover taxi (because the blades aren't carrying the weight of the aircraft), so it doesn't blow stuff into your airport neighbors and get everybody mad at you. It also doesn't kick up much dirt or snow for obstructing your view. Second, you don't need any ground handling gear because it rolls in and out of the hangar easily as is. Third, you can shut down near a fuel pump, wait your turn, and then pull it over close for refueling with a tow bar, instead of trying to hover up next to the fuel station (if you've ever tried to hover up close enough for a short fuel hose to reach in twitchy gusty winds with tall light poles next to the pump above your rotor disc height, you'd appreciate that). Fourth, you can do smooth running take-offs when the power available for hovering is marginal as in high-hot conditions. Fifth, if you auto to the ground you can roll it on easily and make a very gentle arrival.

Wheels are not quite as forgiving for really nasty rough ground; a skid can bridge a big hole, while a wheel might go into it if you screw up. On extremely soft ground, there's a bit less surface area in contact so you can sink more (but I've had skids go pretty deep into the mud, too).

As with any wheeled aircraft, you don't want to touch down with sideward motion, but that's true for skids, too (you risk rollover if you shove a skid sideways on the ground).

My Sikorsky S-52, as one example (shown below), had four wheels. The front pair had a castering lock, originally intended so that you could lock the wheels straight ahead to keep it from turning and rolling off the side of a pitching ship deck at sea. You unlock them for taxi; they are not directly steerable (no linkage to the pedals). The tail rotor pedals had toe brakes for the mains in the usual fashion. Taxi can be done with the collective full down, using forward cyclic to get it moving and the tail rotor (through the pedals) to turn. It's all very natural after a little bit of practice. I would often surface taxi to get fuel, surface taxi to the runway, and do a rolling take off while heavy. Then when landing (and fuel burned off), I would do a hover approach to the helipad, and surface taxi back to the hangar. For a rolling landing, I liked to touch it down just as I was losing translational lift and getting good ground effect, so the speed was quite low. You don't want to wheelbarrow it, so I'd touch down mains first; the deck angle was pretty small because you're not doing a deep flare and there was no risk of hitting the tail.
 

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Good points Waspair........also on a day that has a high density altitude, you can do a rolling takeoff easier on wheels to get into translational lift easier.

I have small transport wheels that I attach to my skids when flying to other airports so I can wheel it up to the pumps and not be "stuck where ever I set it down. The wheels are just about an inch and a half below the skids at the rear, so there is just a little feeling of having "low heels" on it when you land on a level surface. But its so easy to roll.

Stan
 
If you have a 3-bladed, fully articulated rotor system with landing wheels, you need to be careful of ground resonance. It can destroy your ship pretty quickly. Touching down on all wheels gently helps to prevent this. Except for the VAT Hummingbird, the majority of our experimental models aren't big enough to require a complex rotor-head like this.

Dave
Former Army chopper mechanic
 
You can get ground resonance with skids too though - it's the fully articulated rotor system that's susceptible to it regardless of gear type.
 
I would like to know if a helicopter had wheels, 3 like a gyro, could it be landed like a gyrocopter. The Mosquito Air has three legs so there would be no sliding in any direction, every landing would have to be straight down perfect every time?

With power it's much easier and safer to come into a hover and then land, with no power the tail rotor gets in the way and you have to do this

‪Mosquito Air helicopter 180 autos #2‬‏ - YouTube
 
If you have a 3-bladed, fully articulated rotor system with landing wheels, you need to be careful of ground resonance. It can destroy your ship pretty quickly. Touching down on all wheels gently helps to prevent this. Except for the VAT Hummingbird, the majority of our experimental models aren't big enough to require a complex rotor-head like this.

The Hummingbird is based on my old S-52, shown above. I never had a resonance problem in that aircraft. Some designs are more susceptible than others.

I suspect that the big factor for entering resonance on touchdown is putting a lateral impulse into the system to initiate it (vertical bumps are better tolerated than one might think). The cure is to pick up immediately and let the blades quickly sort themselves out, and then land again.
 
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