Wind Ryder Gyro

Chris Burgess

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I flew both the one that Harry died in and also Jerry's. The Windryder is a fine stable design. Just like any cabin gyro, you should fly them in coordinated flight, in trim. Most "cabin" gyros are not happy with a lot of slip. I personally like the aircraft. I even experienced an engine failure in one and it was a piece of cake. Even the 18A has slip limitations.
 

Chris Burgess

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Jerry had the need for speed and moved on to a Pulsar f/w at 160mph+. Here are a couple old photos to ponder. One taken near Kill Devil hills NC (1989) before that one was sold to Harry and one taken at Frederick MD (1990) the day Jerry left everyone in the dust with his while he landed somewhere else and then caught back up to us still "chugging" away to the first destination. Map in hand looking for another place to go. Yeah, that's me (1989) when I was 40. A CFI still wet behind the ears with hair and dressed weird.!!!
 

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C. Beaty

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It is not the enclosure that makes enclosed gyros lethal; it is the low center of drag.

Enclosed gyros with lateral drag center on the CG can be flown sideways as well as open frame gyros.

Euro-Bensen designers may very well know that but in order to have a marketable product, a gyro must be low slung and look like a Lamborghini.
 

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It is not the enclosure that makes enclosed gyros lethal; it is the low center of drag.

Enclosed gyros with lateral drag center on the CG can be flown sideways as well as open frame gyros.

Euro-Bensen designers may very well know that but in order to have a marketable product, a gyro must be low slung and look like a Lamborghini.

Chuck, which models are you speaking about ? Could you do a photoshop picture of what it would look like if it was properly designed ?

Thanks
 

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When the center of drag and CG coincide, there is no rotational moment about the CG, permitting sideways flight without slip-roll coupling.

Drag center can be approximated by balancing a cardboard cutout of a profile on a pencil point; -the centroid of area.
 

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Doug Riley

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Yup, Jerry Eastman was the Windryder pilot I remember.

The principal design problem with "high riders" (no comment on the need for a Lamborghini look) is the vulnerable and/or very heavy and draggy nose gear leg. It's not too much of a problem on pavement, but it badly wants to bend back when flown off imperfect grass runways.

The nose leg design on Vance Breese's machine appears to employ a triagulated fixed strut with the wheel swivel on the bottom instead of the top. That's better than the usual setup, I think.
 

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Low thrustline machines often have fragile nosewheel struts.

But CLT machines generally have manageable nosewheel struts; -the Aviomania series of gyros is an example.
 

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Jerry had the need for speed and moved on to a Pulsar f/w at 160mph+. Here are a couple old photos to ponder. One taken near Kill Devil hills NC (1989) before that one was sold to Harry and one taken at Frederick MD (1990) the day Jerry left everyone in the dust with his while he landed somewhere else and then caught back up to us still "chugging" away to the first destination. Map in hand looking for another place to go. Yeah, that's me (1989) when I was 40. A CFI still wet behind the ears with hair and dressed weird.!!!

Chris,
LOVE the green shorts man !
Randy :D
 
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