- Nov 12, 2003
- central, ga
- Dominator 582
- Total Flight Time
Here is a link to above to learn more....Of the ABS (Xenon gen 1) machines only 1 was in the US and it is not still flying. Not sure about the others sold in France but the Hirth engine had many failures.
I was the initial US importer for the second generation Xenons made in the AAT factory in Poland in 2007-2008. The 10 gyros I imported are registered E-LSA and the only gyros registered that way. Others were later brought in as Experimental and these are mostly Generation 3 Zen/Tercels. After the split between Artur Trendak and Raphael Celier CA moved around 3-4 times but each time his partners kicked him out as Artur Trendak had. Raphael Celier ripped off people in about 5 different countries and never provided support for most of stuff he sold. Steer clear of him
AAT has not had very consistent US representation. I was the first US rep and sold 10 gyros in less than a year, followed by Mike Bantum for 3-4 years even though he only sold 1-2 gyros. Chris Lord repped both AAT and Celier for a time. The AAT factory is good but it would be far better if you could work with a US rep for parts and service etc.
I don't know anything about the Argo.
Which partner are you contracting with? Arthur or Celler?Fly Argo have secured a client in SA, a well respected Cessna and beach agent who is considering adding gyro to their product offering.
I was approached to take care of flight training and to assist in drawing up a robust marketing plan to bring the gyro into the commercial segment that is under traded here.
In dealing with FA now for a few months they have informed me that they have the full manufacturing rights to the CA range as well as the Sanke light helicopter, I will be going to Poland to flight test the aircraft before it comes out here, currently we are frustrated getting it designated within our CAA
Here are pics of the unit that has been ordered by Absolute Aviation
Thank you, that is encouraging news. Let's hope their warranty and after sale support is much better than the other two companies.Fly Argo have purchased the rights to the CA blueprints and plans they have nothing to do with the old regime from what I understand they are a new player hoping to make a success
Well it seems I may have spoken a bit soon?Thank you, that is encouraging news. Let's hope their warranty and after sale support is much better than the other two companies.
This is the same disturbing trend. Personally, I would not buy from them until I talked to several satisfied customers in the USA.Well it seems I may have spoken a bit soon?
Fly Argo have failed to answer five or so questions I have put to them? I have just heard from Patryk at Trendak that they have also left a customer who is suffering from a warranty claim high and dry....the manager I have been communicating with has been less than transparent.
Interesting thread right here ...
I will add the details as soon as I have a chance but this thread I think says it all?
well they tell me they have 5 units flying in the USA, with more orders looming for Mexico?????but when I ask for customer contact details....This is the same disturbing trend. Personally, I would not buy from them until I talked to several satisfied customers in the USA.
Thank you for warning our community. We have been hurt by all of them.
Greg,well they tell me they have 5 units flying in the USA, with more orders looming for Mexico?????but when I ask for customer contact details....
I have been in talks with them since November last year
when asked about happy clients they offer no concrete or tangible contacts, as for the agency in SA I think after meeting with me and my explaining the challenge they will face with the legacy of CA they are just trying to get out of the agency agreement.
So please guys if any of you are flying a FLY ARGO or have one I would really like to hear from you as Im in weekly talks with the poor client in SA who has placed an order for one.
The problem is that the client in SA was hoping to attract commercial clients ( law enforcement, Police, security LIDAR and so on) this will not be possible without BCAR-T certification as the FLY ARGO will not be able to get night VFR...when I try and tell this to Syed from FA he becomes quite aggressive with me telling me has much more exp then me.....what do I know???
Trying to tell him I train people to fly these things and his client will take direction from people like myself seems to elude him!
So it seems to me its a case of smoke and Mirrors.
If any member of this forum wants to see the dribble he sent me in response to my questions I will gladly email it....to save embarrassment I will not attach it.
So my advise is until they become transparent or honest stay away!
I have over 300 hours in Xenon, I love, it is very R44 in feel when in fwd flight I love the spacious cabin ( instructor rated on all Xenon/zen1)Greg,
Not sure if you have flown the Xenon or any of its derivatives but they are sweet flying machines. side by side is easier for instruction and the really wide wheelbase makes it much easier for low time pilots on both takeoff and especially landing. Virtually eliminating the landing accidents Autogyro have experienced.
I also greatly enjoy the light stick force as compared to all the Magni and Autogyros I’ve flown. (BTW I had a fantastic flight around CapeTown a few years ago with Jean Tresfon and my wife following with David Lear).
There is nothing proprietary owned by Raphael or Artur. It may be a few months premature but it sounds like Alvaro whom I believe you know will soon be marketing at least kits of the Trendak version.
Would that suit your need?
Xenon owner and initial US distributor.