What do you do when you cannot obtain conveyance for a craft?

[Raf2000guy]

I am trying to find a website or information about what do you do when you register a craft and you do not have (Conveyance) paperwork from any of the previous owners? No log books or anything either. All I have is a bill of sale from a guy who bought it from the owner listed as the owner on the FAA data base. No one registered it after they bought it. I think they just flew it around their farm or something. It just changed hands a few times. So the owner on the FAA site cannot be found now to get a BOS from him. Is there some process you can take to register it anyway? Better yet, do I have to show a chain of sales or do I just submit my BOS and that is all? Problem is, the BOS is not from the person listed as the owner on the FAA website.

 

[Gyro jeff]

I am trying to find a website or information about what do you do when you register a craft and you do not have (Conveyance) paperwork from any of the previous owners? No log books or anything either. All I have is a bill of sale from a guy who bought it from the owner listed as the owner on the FAA data base. No one registered it after they bought it. I think they just flew it around their farm or something. It just changed hands a few times. So the owner on the FAA site cannot be found now to get a BOS from him. Is there some process you can take to register it anyway? Better yet, do I have to show a chain of sales or do I just submit my BOS and that is all? Problem is, the BOS is not from the person listed as the owner on the FAA website.

you in same boat i am. what did you buy certified, experimental, or Ultralite . I bought gyro that i will have to make ultralite or experimental you have to look at all the faa regs .

 

[WaspAir]

I am trying to find a website or information about what do you do when you register a craft and you do not have (Conveyance) paperwork from any of the previous owners? No log books or anything either. All I have is a bill of sale from a guy who bought it from the owner listed as the owner on the FAA data base. No one registered it after they bought it. I think they just flew it around their farm or something. It just changed hands a few times. So the owner on the FAA site cannot be found now to get a BOS from him. Is there some process you can take to register it anyway? Better yet, do I have to show a chain of sales or do I just submit my BOS and that is all? Problem is, the BOS is not from the person listed as the owner on the FAA website.

You may need an affidavit from the seller as to how he obtained ownership, and a showing that you have made diligent efforts to contact the last registered owner without success. If there is a break in the chain of title, you will be vulnerable to an ownership claim from someone else who has better intermediate paperwork.

 

[gyroplanes]

register it as "built from parts, plans" NO BILL OF SALE REQUIRED. AFFidavit of ownership has a place for it. no problems.

 

[MikeBoyette]

register it as "built from parts, plans" NO BILL OF SALE REQUIRED. AFFidavit of ownership has a place for it. no problems.

I knew you would have the answer Tom. The only true gyro DAR.

 

[WaspAir]

register it as "built from parts, plans" NO BILL OF SALE REQUIRED. AFFidavit of ownership has a place for it. no problems.

Sounds like perjury to me.
It was previously registered, as I understand the situation ("listed as the owner on the FAA data base"). An affidavit of ownership, suggesting that this down-the-line buyer built it himself, would be a false affidavit knowingly submitted to a government agency fraudulently to induce agency action. One might not get caught, but it's a federal crime.

18 USC § 1001 (a) . .

whoever, in any matter within the jurisdiction of the executive, legislative, or judicial branch of the Government of the United States, knowingly and willfully—
(1)
falsifies, conceals, or covers up by any trick, scheme, or device a material fact;
(2)
makes any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or representation; or
(3)
makes or uses any false writing or document knowing the same to contain any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or entry;

shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 5 years . . .

 

[Abid]

I am trying to find a website or information about what do you do when you register a craft and you do not have (Conveyance) paperwork from any of the previous owners? No log books or anything either. All I have is a bill of sale from a guy who bought it from the owner listed as the owner on the FAA data base. No one registered it after they bought it. I think they just flew it around their farm or something. It just changed hands a few times. So the owner on the FAA site cannot be found now to get a BOS from him. Is there some process you can take to register it anyway? Better yet, do I have to show a chain of sales or do I just submit my BOS and that is all? Problem is, the BOS is not from the person listed as the owner on the FAA website.

You can have a bunch of BOS and send them in at one time for you to register. But the chain of BOS have to be there.
If the previous owner did not supply you an unbroken chain of BOS then you have a problem and you should not have even given them a check. Ask for the BOS chain to be satisfied.

 

[gyroplanes]

Sorry Mike, FORMER DAR. I was in the hospital and missed my renewal (never thought about it). My FAA supervisor reminded me that I only had one certification in the last year and a half. DAR is a privilege and not right. The FSDO has to have a need for a DAR and you have (had?) to go before a panel and the FAA employees union. I was a DAR for 24 years. The anticipation of Light Sport had the FAA working with the EAA to provide easy to become DARs but the Light Sport explosion never happened and we got a new bunch of DARs. Hence my lack of work.

If you mess with Bills of sale, you are likely to open a can of worms. I have seen several; a Mosquito in Mich., a Rotorway in Louisville and a gyro down south, all listed on the do not certify list DAR s receive frequently.
A project can not be majority built for other than education and recreation. You can hire an interior guy, a wiring guy, a paint guy, etc but you have to do a majority of the work total. The 51% checklist spells that out.

You can (and should) buy an unfinished project as "built from parts or plans" as is allowed, Some FSDOs require a Bill of Sale to be on the FAA BOS Form. Good luck!