- Feb 17, 2007
- DICKSON, TN
- Grumman AA5
- Total Flight Time
That made one of us Ed.I knew this was your and the Predator's time Vance.....congratulations!!!!
Talk about tenacity .
Thank you Jeff.
Thank you Erik; to be honest I had doubts too.Vance - a great CONGRATULATION from me.
Being honest, I had my doubts about you succeeding.
It's great to see you achieved your nearly unobtainable goal.
An example of persistence paying off. I hope I can learn from that.
Thank you Jeff; that seems simple enough and is aligned with my interpretation.Sorry about that. changed the link and replaced it with the PDFfile.
I am in the ninth percentile specifically for unrelated short term memory Stan, not brain function.Vance - If you are in the 9th percentile for brain function...I must be down around 4 or 5.
You do more with 70% than most wont even attempt with 100%.
How soon will your first lesson for hire be?
Vance,Where did you find that requirement Bryan?
The way I interpret 61.23 (3) (iv) is that with a third class medical is what is needed to exercise the privileges of a flight instructor and acting as pilot in command.
(3) Must hold at least a third-class medical certificate—
(i) When exercising the privileges of a private pilot certificate;
(ii) When exercising the privileges of a recreational pilot certificate;
(iii) When exercising the privileges of a student pilot certificate;
(iv) When exercising the privileges of a flight instructor certificate and acting as the pilot in command;
What you describe reads more like when a medical is not required for flight instruction.
(b) Operations not requiring a medical certificate. A person is not required to hold a medical certificate—
(1) When exercising the privileges of a student pilot certificate while seeking—
(i) A sport pilot certificate with glider or balloon privileges; or
(ii) A pilot certificate with a glider category rating or balloon class rating;
(2) When exercising the privileges of a sport pilot certificate with privileges in a glider or balloon;
(3) When exercising the privileges of a pilot certificate with a glider category rating or balloon class rating in a glider or a balloon, as appropriate;
(4) When exercising the privileges of a flight instructor certificate with—
(i) A sport pilot rating in a glider or balloon; or
(ii) A glider category rating;
(5) When exercising the privileges of a flight instructor certificate if the person is not acting as pilot in command or serving as a required pilot flight crewmember;
(6) When exercising the privileges of a ground instructor certificate;
(7) When serving as an Examiner or check airman and administering a practical test or proficiency check for an airman certificate, rating, or authorization conducted in a glider, balloon, flight simulator, or flight training device;
(8) When taking a practical test or a proficiency check for a certificate, rating, authorization or operating privilege conducted in a glider, balloon, flight simulator, or flight training device; or
(9) When a military pilot of the U.S. Armed Forces can show evidence of an up-to-date medical examination authorizing pilot flight status issued by the U.S. Armed Forces and—
(i) The flight does not require higher than a third-class medical certificate; and
(ii) The flight conducted is a domestic flight operation within U.S. airspace.
I often find I need to chase down the legal interpretation of the FARs because logic doesn’t seem to apply.Vance,
Bear with me and see if what I say is not reasonable.
* Since forever, doinq anythinq in an aircraft for compensation or hire has required a Commercial Ratinq and at least a 2nd Class medical, even towinq a banner or transportinq checks.
* It is possible for a CFI to instruct, make loqbook entries, and siqn the loqbook for free if they choose. (Maybe for a friend?)
* If the student is qualified to be PIC, the CFI doesn`t need any medical at all.
* If the student is not qualified to be PIC, the CFI must be PIC and whether the student is payinq or not determines what class medical the CFI needs.
* If the student has no ratinq, and the instructional fliqht is done for free, only a 3rd Class is needed.
* If the student has no ratinq, and the instructional fliqht is done for a fee or other compensation, a 2nd Class is needed.
61.193 lists the nine priviledqes a CFI has. None of the nine says anythinq about charqinq or beinq compensated for the traininq and endorsements.
Doesn`t this sound reasonable?
I cannot think of an occasion when an airman can charqe for services as PIC without a Commercial Ratinq and a 2nd Class Medical, except where the FAR`s allow Salesman who is a Private Pilot to demonstrate an aircraft to potential customers while beinq compensated (since it is his job). The reqs also allow a non-commercial pilot to do fliqhts where people donate to a charity the pilot represents.
When you were performinq at airshows in The Predator as a Private Pilot, I would be surprised if you were compensated in any way.
Brian, lots of things have always been legal to do for compensation in an aircraft without a Class II. Even ten years ago, nobody would have felt you needed a Class II med to teach someone to knit or whittle just because it happened in a flying airplane.Since forever, doinq anythinq in an aircraft for compensation or hire has required a Commercial Ratinq and at least a 2nd Class medical, even towinq a banner or transportinq checks.
Bryan, a CFI who knows the FARs fairly well misinterprets the meaning.If the FAA Leqal department has qotten involved in this question...all bets are off. Thanks Jeff. I stand corrected. The black-and-white interpretations that come out of the leqal department have always been illoqical and unreasonable.