Very old gyro crash

dloftus

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I saw this on You Tube and don't know if it has been posted before. I think this is what can happen whey you get a little over confident. You can watch the whole video, but the if you just want to see the crash, start at about 8:30. Very strange control configuration on this gyro also.

YouTube - Autogyre crash 1991
 

GyroDoug

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It looks like he just got low and slow and below the power curve and settled into rough ground without being straight and he tipped it over. I think that kind of accident has happened a lot in the gyro world.
 

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Can't beat a camera to make people do silly things. Does not have to be aviation.

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gyro19xl

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Nice flying up until the point he put on the air brakes ! I dont' believe I have ever seen that type of control system on a gyro before. Also noticed that the mast angle was welded right behind the seat, must have been a mild steel air frame.
 

GrantR

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That looks like a delta wing trike airframe that was modified into a gyro.
 

Doug Riley

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Another low-altitude downwind turn splat.

What's more interesting is that this craft is very HTL, with no H-stab. Such gyros tend to porpoise gently but continually. Watch this one closely and you can see it. If the porpoising were to get out of hand, that alone could result in a PPO.

The pilot is fortunate that he mushed in low and slow rather than tumbling end over end from a fatal altitude.
 

gyroman

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i was gonna ask if anyone noticed the porposing and you beat me to it...
 

EI-GYRO

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I think it's a gyke. Trike with rotor and rudder. The hoop control is a variation
on the overhead stick.
Low, slow, ploughed field. Bad combo.
 

GrantR

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How does a trike achieve CLT when a trike wing weights about the same as a heavy rotor?

I read that Trikes need to be CLT to fly correctly.

I thought the proposing was due to the pilot not having the skills needed to properly fly that type of gyro. :boink:
 

Kevin_Richey

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Wasn't this posted sometime ago on the forum?

Wasn't this a French flier?

The title of this thread shows 1991 while the camera date shows 1995...
 

Rehan K.Janjua

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Training - HTL - no pitch dampner - no yaw string - PIO - over control - deathgrip - white nuckles - light controls - low time - etc.

THE END.
 

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It does look like a modified trike frame. I wouldn't want that flight control setup.
 

EI-GYRO

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The flight control setup is attractive to flex-wing pilots as it is similar to the A-frame.
Effectively, it is an overhead stick.
If they added a HS along with the rudder, its probably not a bad arrangement.
 

scandtours

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I believe this accident has nothing to do with HTL PPO or anything like that.
Too low and slow and behind the power curve, down wind turn ( watch his take off direction) and maybe heavy underpower VW gyro.
If forced landing was on a hard surface, nose wheel should not drop into the soft soil. Same tip over when you apply the front brakes on a bicycle.
This is exactly what had happened to Ken Wallis accidentn too.
On soft or rough surfaces, in my oppinion, is to consume ALL forward speed and land vertically.
 
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Chuck Roberg

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Giorgos, I think you hit the nail on the head.
 

Stoney

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After watching the crash two times I am sure I heard the engine cut out completely right before the tumble. Also he was throttling down during each of the slow turns that he did complete before crashing. It seemed that his airspeed dropped with each successive turn. I wonder what the rotor RPM was doing, suspect it was dropping as well.
 
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ArnaudHP

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I believe this accident has nothing to do with HTL PPO or anything like that.
Too low and slow and below the power curve, down wind turn ( watch his take off direction) and maybe heavy underpower VW gyro.

I agree with you, Giorgos : behind the power curve.
Yes, they speak French.
It sounds he chopped the power when hitting the ground (at least he didn't tumble with full power on:eek:hwell:)
 
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