Vance, I am calling you to the carpet!!!!

Please provide a definition of politics please. Not your personal interpretation. Because what Ben posted was not political in nature at all. Calling out a government agency for not helping the people it serves is not political. As for not being gyro plane related that is an argument that could be made however, Ben is family and we who know him were concerned for him. He answered a question directed to him in an off topic thread about where he lives. I suspect if you had a quake where you live and were frustrated and one of our family asked how you are doing you may choose to vent in that thread as well. Last I will say about it. If it doesn’t bash one political party over another or a particular person in power it isn’t Political.
I agree however we are family and sometimes this is the only place we can get info about someone. Ben is in many hours ahead of us and it’s hard to get a message or call in right now. The question was asked in an off topic thread and he voiced his frustration with the whole damn situation with the people who are supposed to help. That’s not political.
It is a judgment call Mike and it is my personal interpretation.

It is not a debate.

This whole thread likely should have been deleted as a personal attack.
 
political
adjective
po·lit·i·cal pə-ˈli-ti-kəl
1a: of or relating to government, a government, or the conduct of government
b: of, relating to, or concerned with the making as distinguished from the administration of governmental policy
2: of, relating to, involving, or involved in politics and especially party politics
3: organized in governmental terms
political units
4: involving or charged or concerned with acts against a government or a political system
 
Bobby, in your singular post above you discussed Sailboats, other forums, and a side job of being a moderator.....Then you add lets just stick to Gyros, the FAA and aviation...and that was all in just a sentence or two!

Ironic, but this is exactly my point....an innocuous post to be sure, but I calls em like i sees em
Ben:

My post was just that I have experience moderating a forum, larger than this.

Lots of feedback directed at Vance. I was just trying to bring some sense to this.

If my response is deleted, so be it. But this discussion should not even be visible IMO. This should be between you and the moderators.
 
Ben,

I'm so sorry about your sweetheart's illness. Dysentery is bad stuff. Praying for her recovery!

Jim
 
Roger that. A close buddy picked up that ailment in the Peace Corps and it wasn't good.
 
It is a judgment call Mike and it is my personal interpretation.

It is not a debate.

This whole thread likely should have been deleted as a personal attack.
Good to be God. I too may visit this personal judgment call playground less. Enjoy eventually it may just end up with the moderators talking to each other. His post was informational not an attack on anyone. You should remove the off topic area completely. Y’all enjoy pretty soon the sound in here will be crickets.
 
It is a judgment call Mike and it is my personal interpretation.
It is not a debate.
This whole thread likely should have been deleted as a personal attack.
For "personal interpretation", read "decision". Why sugar-coat it?

Here's my "personal interpretation":
It is a judgment call Mike and it is [my decision].
It is not a debate.
[I should actually have] deleted this whole thread as a personal attack. [You should be thanking me that I haven't (yet)]


I think it's time for another Tyger time-out... I really HATE the sanctimony, much more than anything else I have encountered here, to include the posts of obnoxious people who got banned long ago. It is finally sinking in why none of the folks I actually learned about gyros from ever come here anymore.
 
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It's just my opinion, but I'm pretty much going to Always default to "Tie goes to the Moderator" in any difficult decision. I've seen chaos here and I've seen this place shut down. I want it to never happen again. Vance and the other moderators are the people tasked with keeping that from happening.
 
Okay, just so everyone can take a deep breath, RWF will be saved from the guillotine, as I will voluntarily take a hiatus.
If anyone wishes to they can reach me on a pm or get in touch with Dave Bacon. I won't delete my account, but I am unable to get my point across about the over-moderation of the board such as it is that I do not need any more stress in my life right now.
You guys be safe out there and if anything happens thats out of the norm, post it on some other forum, cause once I am gone...I have no idea who is going to take my place as the RWF whipping boy!
Via Condios, Muchachos!
 
It's just my opinion, but I'm pretty much going to Always default to "Tie goes to the Moderator" in any difficult decision. I've seen chaos here and I've seen this place shut down. I want it to never happen again. Vance and the other moderators are the people tasked with keeping that from happening.
Quiet, reasoned response John, and even shorter than my attempt.
 
The entire issue of political postings here being a problem is that in the past, political discussions turned into fights amongst the members here. That and flying related content dried up and all the forum was being used for was to fight with each other about which side is better.

It was ME that brought it to Todds attention, it was ME who had the issue with it in the beginning.

Todd started this forum over 20 years ago, when the previous gyroplane forum became unstable and was sometimes up and running and sometimes not, with threats it would be closed soon. Todd was very interested in gyros and owned a gyro and was fairly new at gyros back then and saw the value in keeping a gyro forum going... So he made this one, privately... Sent me a link to it and I said lets do this and made a public announcement and the rest is history, It is still here up and running 20 years later.

But understand this.... Todd lost interest in gyros years ago. And with that interest gone, he isn't here daily checking on what's going on, here on the forum. He would have no idea how things are going unless someone is able to contact him and bring him up to speed.

Seems like the last few times he was notified of some dumb stuff, there was major distractions going on here with all the political stuff and name calling and threats and so on. If any of you reading this were here back then, you know how bad it was. Not only did it bother Todd, but he leans on the left side of the aisle and most of the noise and ugliness was from people on the right side of the aisle.... So the attacks weren't just a distraction to the forum but also a attack on Todds beliefs and values. So he just simply made the decision to just leave out politics altogether.

Now myself, I really don't have a issue with some light political talk here... So as long as it doesn't bait people into arguing with each other or it taking away from the flying topics. I likely would NOT have deleted Bens post. But if Bens post stirred up some back and forth between members here and things began to get ugly then I would delete it all.

Yeah, Idk... I am a member on several other forums and they allow political talk on them, but they will eventually step in if things get personal between members in those discussions. Seems for the most part, on those forums, people can discuss their differences without stirring up drama and it doesn't spill over into other parts of those forums. That wasn't the case here.... Maybe folks who fly gyrocopters are just a special kind of people and we can't talk politics without being nasty to each other or writing in bold letters " SKY WOLVERINES " or some other dumb stuff.

at any rate, the rules are what they are and although the current moderation staff have made some questionable decisions with how they have moderated, they haven't done anything that conflicts with Todds wishes. Just try to understand and respect that and remember that this forum is for flying stuff, and light off topic stuff and I think all would be fine. If you have internet and can log on here, then you can also log onto facebook and on facebook you can talk about so much more, use facebook for those discussions and you'll feel better!
 
Okay, just so everyone can take a deep breath, RWF will be saved from the guillotine, as I will voluntarily take a hiatus.
If anyone wishes to they can reach me on a pm or get in touch with Dave Bacon. I won't delete my account, but I am unable to get my point across about the over-moderation of the board such as it is that I do not need any more stress in my life right now.
You guys be safe out there and if anything happens thats out of the norm, post it on some other forum, cause once I am gone...I have no idea who is going to take my place as the RWF whipping boy!
Via Condios, Muchachos!
I am with you, Ben.
 
I also hope you will reconsider Ben. Your gyro passion comes through loud and clear when you post. I believe this forum will be diminished if you and Tyler leave.

There are some who left that I don't miss because they posted what I believe to be dangerous, ridiculous, harmful stuff. You and Tyler know what you're talking about and it is obvious.

Jim
 
I am a member of a couple other forums and they have decided to put the "off topic" thread in a secure area that users have to ask for access to if they want to read and post there.
That way the unregistered daily visitors can not even see the thread.
The registered members can see the thread title that says OFF TOPIC, but is members access only, so the members that do not want to see it or read it, do not have to.
It works well on the other forums, and surprisingly it does not get out of hand as the access members kind of "self police" and will let the offender know when they are getting too far off topic.
 
I am a member of a couple other forums and they have decided to put the "off topic" thread in a secure area that users have to ask for access to if they want to read and post there.
That way the unregistered daily visitors can not even see the thread.
The registered members can see the thread title that says OFF TOPIC, but is members access only, so the members that do not want to see it or read it, do not have to.
It works well on the other forums, and surprisingly it does not get out of hand as the access members kind of "self police" and will let the offender know when they are getting too far off topic.
I post on other aviation forums too.

A much larger aviation forum allowed off topic political discussions and many heated arguments resulted.

People could not resist the urge to shout people down who were not aligned with their position.

Self policing didn’t work and the ban/delete hammer didn’t work.

They no longer allow off topic political posts and the forum is thriving.

They still allow non aviation related posts, just not about politics.
 
During the hay day of political discussion in this forum Vance and I were probably at odds as much as anyone could be but this in the past now. The forum is very unique and the community would suffer a tremendous loss if it would go down the drain. Post a good explanation on why downwind turns in a strong wind shear are dangerous (or not?), that's what is needed. Politics is very, VERY important indeed, but you should really find somewhere else to put up that fight. This is especially true for a country as divided on politics as the US is today. It has been, wisely in my opinion, decided to make this forum as non political as is possible, so I would strongly second the view that, as a moderator, you should, just as in anything related to aircraft and flying, rather err on the safe side. Thank you, Vance, for taking on the thankless task of being a moderator.
 
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