Tyger
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I agree it'd be a lot different in a Cub.... or in anything with wings and ailerons
Happens all the time. A student comes in for a landing and puts the wrong rudder input in just before touchdown. The instructor fixes it.I am a bit surprised by what you say about a student and instructor stepping on opposite pedals. Surely if the instructor has to take control from the student he says "My aircraft", at which point the student should basically immediately go hands and feet off, no?
Do we know the SN (or year of manufacture) of that particular 914?John, it was a Rotax 914 engine so it could conceivably affect any of the factory built machines.
I don't know the cause and can only assume replacement was required.
Has anyone ever actually told you there is no reason to practice emergency landings? I never heard anyone express no need to practice emergency landings in certified aircraft over the 40+ years I've been in aviation....
Some people feel there is not much reason to practice emergency landings because the modern gyroplane engines are so reliable that it is unlikely for it to fail in flight.
As someone who has made successful emergency landings I can assure people engines do stop at inconvenient times and knowing which way the wind blows and having appropriate landing areas picked out before the engine goes quiet is an important part of learning to fly.
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Phil Bennett is a flight instructor in the UK who has written that he feels that practicing for engine outs is over emphasized in training in the UK because Rotax engines in the gyroplanes in the UK are so reliable.Has anyone ever actually told you there is no reason to practice emergency landings? I never heard anyone express no need to practice emergency landings in certified aircraft over the 40+ years I've been in aviation.
Hard to believe anyone in gyro ever would = what a fool.
If you have a compelling reason to fly to Catalina in low time experimental, amateur built 915 powered Argon as a low time gyroplane pilot with a passenger you should just do it.With a certified or Rotax 900 series engine it is all about the PROBALLIY of a correctly installed and maintained engine going out in the TIME PERIOD you are putting yourself at risk. For the snake river trip is was 1.75 hours of its 2000 TBO. That equals 0.000875 and not much risk. But you have to practice emergency landing more than anyone else if you want to even take that short risk of flying over anything without a landing zone. I was with Micheal Burton who has practiced more than anyone else so there was little risk vs the huge reward of the adventure of a lifetime.
I think that is good advice.If you have a compelling reason to fly to Catalina in low time experimental, amateur built 915 powered Argon as a low time gyroplane pilot with a passenger you should just do it.
It will probably turn out just fine.
I feel a good life vest, some sort of personal emergency locater and a pyrotechnic singling device would be useful safety equipment just in case things didn’t work out.
It appears to me the FAA over water safety equipment is not required in an experimental amateur build aircraft when flying beyond gliding distance to the shore.
With months of practice you will still be a low time gyroplane pilot flying recently amateur built 915 powered Argon with a passenger over water beyond gliding distance to the shore.I think that is good advice.
Except I do not know why you retain your fantasy that I would fly without hundreds of practice emergency landings or ever think to fly such a low time 915 without a landing zone I could glide to until the fleet has more time to find all the bugs.
Your fantasy is scary and has nothing to do with my current questions to learn the best emergency landing procedures or the months of practice it will require before the fleet has more hours and I will have trained more than anyone else to prepare for that crossing. Told Ron we will fly to Catalina when we bring the Argon back from flying all contiguous 48 states. That will take months with almost all landings at engine idle = emergency landings has I do in FW to this day if flying all pilots. Ron will be a pilot too.
I don’t have a number of hours to become a proficient gyroplane pilot John.How many hours are required to transition from a low-time gyroplane pilot to an experienced gyroplane pilot?