The War Against Socialism, Marxism, Terrorism and any other left-wing faction!

While it may result in even more venting by our resident super-patriots, there are a couple of things that need saying since nobody else seems willing to step up:

(1) Don's paranoid venting provides a perfect case study as to why we should start teaching real history in our schools.

(2) The favorable reaction to that venting demonstrates the extreme effectiveness of the Ministry of Propaganda that is being run by the current administration. They can sell the most amazing set of lies as long as they run up the flag and sing the national anthem!. What is really curious is that most of you guys view your government with absolute suspicion when it comes to gun ownership, but you will accept almost anything else they say as long as it is carefully wrapped in the flag.

(3) In just a few short years this country has been transformed from a beacon of hope to a street-corner bully who will beat the c*** out of anybody small enough to pose no real danger. We invade a country like Iraq, which had nothing to do with 9/11 and never was a threat, yet we are pulling back our troops in Korea where they actually are making atomic weapons to blackmail the rest of Asia.

Perhaps the most amazing thing of all is that bunch of second-raters in Washington has managed to sell the notion that they are right and the entire rest of the world is wrong. I guess you really can sell anything these days....

Ralph
 
Paranoid!?!? I’m not paranoid, I’m pissed off! I’m not worried that I might be attacked, I’m pissed off that it actually happened to us, the USA. Why is it that I can quote and reference several sources, including personal stories, and all the antis can come up with is "it's lies", "it's politics", “you’re paranoid”, etc.? I’m not watching CNN or CBS to get this stuff. Is this the new civil way to discredit someone and shout them down. You slap’m in the face, and when they get pissed off, you point a finger back at them and say, “see, there you go. Look at how unstable he his.”

I will concede to a degree that oil is a factor. But it would also be less of a factor if we could drill in our own damn country, which the tree-huggers (elected or otherwise) of this country are preventing.

The root cause of my "venting" is that I go through life trying to do the best that I can. I don't go out of my way to step on peoples toes, I don't try to piss people off, I let people do what they want and say what they think, and that is the same thing I expect in return. But it really pisses me off when someone points a finger at me and says it's my fault. It's not my fault, or the fault of anyone in this country, or the Jewish community. The fault of the attacks of 9/11, or any other time and place falls squarely on the shoulder of the people that are carrying out the attacks. And in this case, it's the terrorists that are being created within the Muslim world. Regardless what their reason may be, or how little "hope" they may have, they are the responsible party. Not me, or you, or anyone else! You want some real insight, go find someone that had read the Koran like I did.

Everyone here agrees that people in this country need to become involved and vote. Fine! What's good for the goose is good for the gander! Therefore, everyone else in the world should be doing the same thing. And if they can't because their Government is corrupt (like Iraq), then overthrow the bastards so you can have free elections. I'm sure the US would love to have all of the middle east countries play nice-nice with each other, as well as the US and Israel. We could all get cheep oil that way. But then again, if oil is the reason for the season, then why are we in Afghanistan? Oil? No, better yet… that's the carrot that keeps everyone’s attention focused somewhere else while the fox has his way with the hens, right. Libya has plenty of oil. How come the US isn’t in there? Where do you think BP pumps part of their oil from? That’s right, Libya!

Final word… If the terrorists want to blow someone up, they can blow someone else up, not here, but overseas someplace. And if a single American gets killed, we should bomb the shit out of the countries that harbored and/or trained those responsible. And I mean we bomb everything, not just trucks, bridges, airports, etc. If the US is going to be accused of indiscriminate bombing of targets, then lets live up to that expectation and bomb the whole lot of them! Just like Regan did with Libya in the 80’s.
 
Just to clarify

Just to clarify

Since some of you might get the wrong idea with my post. I do not have a problem with the subject of this thread. I would never trade my freedoms for ANY security. Which is what socialism, communism is..... That is why I have a "difference of opinion" when it comes to MY ELECTED leaders telling me that I have to be treated like some 3rd world peasant in order to be safe. There is nothing wrong with pre 911 law enforcement laws or guidelines. The fact is the events were allowed to happen. AGAIN.... MY government knew in ADVANCE stuff was about to hit the fan. IF YOU HONESTLY BELIEVE that the BUSH admin was in the dark about any of it you are all brainwashed beyond hope. Like I said please give me an example where those in the know that should have known really knew nothing.
 
Not in response to your post, Automan...but about this thread in general,
just reminds me of the statement, ...

Opinions are like a**holes,
evrybody's got at least one and they all stink.

Anybody up for going on over there with a stealth gyro and grabbing Osamma's scalp? I hear his DNA is worth about $50 mil...could get a pretty nifty Sparrowhawk or two, paint 'em black, use kevlar in the floor, mount miniguns. Don?
 
donshoebridge said:
I was thinking of something MUCH LARGER than a mini gun.

Wow, let'er rip. Yaaaaaa Whooooooo!!!

To take the philosophy of Al Qaida "We all have to go sometime, lets take as many as we can with us." You can die a slow lingering miserable death in poverty and filth or go out with a blaze of glory. :cool:
 
This was written three to four weeks ago. I didn't write it, but as I see it, this pretty well sums up our biggest problem:

THE LESSER OF TWO EVILS:
BUSH OR KERRY?
By: Alan Stang
Act Two of the Republicrat National Convention approaches. The quadrennial charade is almost upon us. As always, the judas goats whose job it is to keep patriots in the corral are dusting off the argument that has worked so well since the memory of man runneth not to the contrary.

This year’s adaptation goes like this: Yes, Bush does endorse abortion and gun confiscation, he has supervised the most spending and the biggest expansion of government in the history of the nation, he is colluding with foreigners to perpetrate the invasion from Mexico and the destruction of our independence, et cetera and so on, but – but – but, Bush is only three months pregnant. He is the "lesser of two evils."

Yes, Bush isn’t perfect, we admit that, but Kerry is six months pregnant, and the only way to stop him is to vote for Bush. Besides, you have nowhere else to go. The conspirators waiting to hit you in the head on your way into the abattoir have used some variant of this argument for decades.

I remember wondering as long ago as the Eisenhower Administration why it was that, whoever was elected, the policy was the same. The ship of state still kept the same heading. The only things that changed were the style and terminology. I remember asking people why that was. No one I knew at the time knew. Of course, I was working at NBC in New York then, so everyone I knew was as ignorant and stupid as I was.

Here is what I didn’t know. Among the tools employed by the Marxist traitors who are conspiring to submerge us in a totalitarian socialist world government, is dialectical materialism. The conspirators who use it are consummately realistic. They know they will face opposition and that the opposition will intensify the closer they come to their goal.

They know they can’t wish it away. So, in politics, they apply the dialectical process to control both parties. With control of both parties, they don’t care who wins. For instance, in Philip Dru: Administrator, Edward M. House, who wrote that he was working for "Socialism as dreamed of by Karl Marx, and later founded the Marxist Council on Foreign Relations, explained the technique.

House wrote that the "conspiracy" – the word is his – would seize control of both parties at the primary level, where it would nominate its own men. The candidates could then fight it out, which ensured that the most vicious, the most psychopathic of the parties and candidates would win.

Carroll Quigley said almost the same thing in Tragedy and Hope, the book its own publisher suppressed when patriots discovered and bought it. Bill Drop Your Pants Clinton paid homage to Quigley in his inaugural address, but the media scum did not bother doing a sidebar to tell the sheep who he was.

The experts tell us that if you keep getting the same result when you do the same thing, but you keep doing it expecting to get something different – if you don’t change your behavior to conform to what cause and effect teach – then you are probably insane. Are you insane?

We fell for the con in the Eisenhower Administration. We were not insane yet. We just didn’t know any better. We fell for it with Nixon, who left our men behind in the Nam and committed other crimes, with Ford, who made a career out of being a nonentity and with Reagan, who merged our schools with the "Evil Empire’s." But today?

Today, after George Bush I, of the C.F.R. and its foreign ministry, the Trilateral Commission, who in speech after speech has lauded what he calls "the new world order?" Today, after George II, who has done all the things we mentioned at the top of this piece and many more? No. After a while, however dumb he is, a man will realize – if he is sane – that a kick in the head is reality knocking at the door.

But despite all this maybe Bush really is the "lesser of two evils." If so, wouldn’t we sink slower with him on the bridge than with Lieutenant Kerry? Wouldn’t we at least get more time? I’m glad you asked. Which one of these candidates is really the "lesser of two evils?"

Notice that with every one of the Republicans we have mentioned in office, the conspiracy for world government has gotten away with things it would not dare attempt with the Democrats. The media scum the conspirators employ have created an utterly phony Republican reputation for patriotism and probity, with the result that when a Republican is elected, the patriots celebrate and go fishing.

The patriots know what the Democrats are, know that with a Democrat in the White House there are more Hollyweird pukes, bigger scandals, more interns on their knees inhaling cigars, more outright Communist traitors like Hanoi John Kerry (D.-Vietnam), so, when the Democrats are in office, patriots put away the fishing poles and oppose all these things.

They don’t know, because the Communist media don’t tell them, that while Kerry is a Communist traitor, Bush is a world government traitor, on the same treason team. The left Communist media – the Communist Broadcasting System, the Communist News Network, etc. – keep the people enthralled by demeaning Republicans and partying with Hollyweird pukes.

The right Communist media – Hannity, Limbaugh (talent on loan from the Republicon National Committee), etc. – talk up the Republicons and explain away their socialist peccadilloes. It is truly embarrassing to hear Limbaugh, who has been completely compromised by (prescription) drugs and money, twist himself into a pretzel to excuse the latest Republican Communist gaffe. It is like watching a man humiliate himself in public.

Again, the idea is to keep patriots pacified until the time is right to exterminate them, the time at which the velvet gloves will come off. Now ask yourself whether Gore could have gotten away with what George II has done. Could Gore have convinced the Congress – controlled by Republicans – to spend as much as Bush has?

Would a Republican Congress have allowed Gore to perpetrate the present invasion of our country via Mexico, an invasion that constitutes the population replacement the Communist UN says is genocide? Would a Republican Congress have allowed Gore to appoint even more known sodomites to top jobs than Clinton did?

We are told that when all is said and done, we must vote for Bush because of the judges, but regular readers will recall that Bush typically caved on the judges in a smelly deal with the Democrats. On and on it goes. Aside from superficial, cosmetic changes, we are worse off in many respects with Bush than we would have been with Gore, and certainly no better off.

Indeed, compare Bush to Clinton. Who spent more? Who gave us more war? Yes, Clinton is a traitor, but hasn’t Bush continued and expanded his treason? Hillaroid could not impose her Fascist "health" scheme. Bush did it for her. The big difference is that, as far as we know, Bush does not rape women in hotel rooms, or drop his pants and ask for sex.

So, it is perfectly reasonable to argue that Communist traitor Kerry is the "lesser of two evils." I am not – not – not suggesting you vote for him. I am reassuring you that if you elect to vote for someone other than Bush and Kerry, you don’t need to worry that you are "throwing away" your vote and that something bad will happen. Something bad will happen whatever you do.

In the old days, people got into the Republican Party to "change things." I have done so myself. Republican leaders put them to work walking precincts, making telephone calls and raising money. When they tried to change things, the Republican leaders stuck knives in their backs. Republican world government traitors have been doing this for 50 years.

In 1952, those traitors sabotaged Senator Robert Taft, and gave us Soviet front man Dwight Eisenhower. It was the Republican Party that defeated Barry Goldwater. Ronald Reagan stabbed conservative Republicans in the back when he chose George I as running mate. The Republican Party gives Dr. Ron Paul of Texas no support. Bush political commissar Karl Rove has been searching for a way to defeat Colorado Congressman Tom Tancredo. How many times must you be hit in the head?

Again, the purpose of the scam is to keep you docile until it is too late to protest, until you no longer can do so. The "war on terror" and the "Patriot Acts" tell us that too late could come soon. The Republicans themselves began as a third party. A big vote now for a third party – deserting the Republicans – would send the message that the sheep have broken out of the corral, that the fifty-year-old scam is over.
 
So who would the all seeing, all knowing Mr. Stang have us vote for?

I assume that because he sees this conspiracy so clearly, and the rest of us are so ignorant, that his name will be on the ballot?

Pat O'Neal
 
Hmmm, I never thought of that Pat. I haven't heard anything about his name being on the ballot. He sees the problem as I have for some time, and, I suppose for that reason, I saw this only as an attempt to wake some of us up to what is really going on in this country.

I have believed for some time time now that if we continue to vote for the lessor of the two major party evils, that we will always have evil people in the leadership positions over this country. Therefore, as I see it, we need to support the best third party candidate. For that reason, I will probably cast my vote for the Constitution Party candidate. If there were only two choices, then I would be forced to vote for Bush, the lessor of the two major party evils.
 
Chuck,

Regardless of what the guy says unless he finds a better way to say it, he won't accomplish much.

He came across to me as an elitist s.o.b.

Telling me how stupid I am because I don't see things the way he does, is not going to sway me, regardless of how many big words he uses.

Pat O'Neal
 
We have alot...too much as Americans , give all the praise and glory to God... not to ourselves. Arrogance will never outweigh humility in God's eyes. I recently lost my job to foreign competition. Am I angry... far from it. It's time we shared our blessings with the third world countries. I hope and pray that the extinction of my job goes a long way in helping the poorest of the poor put food on their table, and help them experience a better quality of life. I count my blessings everyday... and am very thankful for what I have.

Jim Bania
 
rotordisc50 said:
We have alot...too much as Americans , give all the praise and glory to God... not to ourselves. Arrogance will never outweigh humility in God's eyes. I recently lost my job to foreign competition. Am I angry... far from it. It's time we shared our blessings with the third world countries. I hope and pray that the extinction of my job goes a long way in helping the poorest of the poor put food on their table, and help them experience a better quality of life. I count my blessings everyday... and am very thankful for what I have.

Jim Bania
Good point. I've always felt that the difference between true "humility" and "humiliation" is:
Humility is when you know your place...
Humiliation is when someone else puts you there :D
 
Wow, Jim. That's a different and very unselfish outlook. I assume that you're still able to earn a living.
 
Like all stories and/or opinions (sometimes even my own) I'm sure there are varying degrees of accuracy. With inaccuracy comes doubt. Doubt not in just one specific statement, but for an entire document or story. As Mr. Alan Stang has indicated (from what sounds like a left of center point of view), that G-Dub is for "gun confiscation". I believe that he his referring to the statement the G-Dub made to the affect that he would sign (reinstate) the Assaults Weapons ban. But what Mr. Stang fails convey is that there was no way that the papers would cross G-Dubs desk for a signature. When I first heard G-Dub make that same statement, I went off! But then I realized that his statement was nothing more than the political game that is being played-out in Washington. It was his attempt to gain some Liberal support.

Now maybe he is a gun grabber. But as long as the Republicans have the House and Senate under control, I know G-Dub isn't going to be signing any gun grabbing papers (I hope).

Chuck,

I usually vote third party, but for the past 2 elections, I voted Republican. Not necessarily because I wanted G-Dub to win, I wanted the Demokrats to loose. And with the elections being as close as they have been lately, I'd rather see the left loose, and loose big time. I much rather see a Republican party and a Constitution party on the hill.
 
Don,

It appears that you and I are pretty much in agreement. I could have never voted for Clinton or Gore, and most certainly could never vote for Kerry or Hillery. I just wish we had better choices.

It appears to me that if we don't change our thinking and start voting for the best candidate, instead of the lessor of the two major party evils, that we will continue to digress as a nation until we are almost totally dependent on government. At that point, there will be few, if any, freedoms for us. Only the very elite will have any freedom. My thinking is that we've waited too late to stop this giant. There are just too many voters who are too ignorant or apathetic to turn this thing around.

As I see it, the only place you and I might disagree is that I can't see that we are truly better off with the Republicans than we are with the Democrats. An example, R. Congressman Ron Paul of Texas pretty much sees things as you and I do, yet he gets little, if any, support from his fellow Republicans in the house. The majority of the Republicans whom we have elected are not truly conservative. Are we truly better off, having been under two Bushes? If we are, I can't see it. They appear to be more conservative to the public. But in reality, are they? I believe that there is a lot more to what Alan Stang is saying than most of us want to admit.
 
I've known people in the Militia that vote both ways (R or D), but also Libertarian and Constitutional. But the guys who vote Democratic, their reasoning is that they would rather see a radical left-winger in office to pass all kinds of bad laws so that people can see with their own eyes how bad they are. Now I'm not trying to poke a stick at the Democrats, I'm just pointing out something that most people haven't heard before. This path of logic continues with the idea that if the Democrat(s) in power become oppressive enough that this would be a reason to remove them by force. So the short of it is that they want a fight. I agree that things are getting worse, but I can't push myself this far.

But I also see where this will backfire. With so many people voting for Democrats, and for even more radical parties like the Workers party, the Green party, and the Communist party, by comparison, the Republicans don't look so bad. I still think there are those on both sides of the political fence that have our interests at heart, but the true Statesmen are few and fare between.
 
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I am glad you all have an opinion, what you say has all been said before. History, although convoluted, always repeats itself. I am glad I will not live forever. Conflict and strife is the human condition. The trick is to figure out where the mad and the bad are so you can move away from there. Some will be able to Fly [($) ($)] to a new destination and some might have to walk.

For those who enjoy using pronouns like we and us, don't be so secure to believe others think like you even when they are in the same political party. Figure out how long the longest war has been in history and then multiply it by twelve to figure out how long it will take to beat the Islamofacists in the world. And at the end of it all the United States will be a completely different place.

I'd rather be flying.
 
The world is a better place to live and it is going to be better in time!
Many nations came and went, had power and lost it, the languages remained, some costumes too . . .I don't see why this is going to change!
NOt so somber as the pollution war that is going to affect left and right.
And even this one we can win, if working together!
Heron
 
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