The mystery over the missing Malaysian jetliner

Well thats OK except for the fact they would have to bypass about 5 airports they could land at in order to get to Langkawi.

Also they did not fly to Langkawi but closer to Penang and then out to Pulau Perak. A straight line would have taken them into or very close to Thai airspace and close to at least one Thai airport.

The normal order of events for decompression would be.
Oxygen mask on.
Initiate emergency descent straight ahead.
Transmit Mayday call.
Decide where to go.
Closest in Malaysia was Kohta Bahru or Terengganu, also a military base all on the East coast.

Sadly there is a good chance we will probably never know what happened.
 
Though this one does make me wonder:

http://news.okezone.com/read/2014/0...at-diduga-mh370-jatuh-basarnas-tindak-lanjuti

Google translate:

Meanwhile , a group of fishermen in Langkat also said they saw the plane crash in the sea in the waters of East Aceh . But they saw the plane allegedly crashed that day at approximately 11:28 pm . (Plane took off at 12.40 AM Malaysian time on morning of 8th March … so this was the evening of that day??? Lotta fuel right there! Not very relevant note: Malaysia time is one hour ahead…)

"The plane circled lower . In the second round , aircraft fumes on the right rear and fly in a condition tilted to the left . A moment later, the plane went down and out of sight , " he explained .

The fishermen noted the GPS coordinates of the location of the point where they saw the plane , which is 5 ' .21 ' .943 N and 98 ' .18 ' .613 E.

(That is in the Malacca Strait, about half way between Malaysia and the northern tip of Aceh .... ie, perhaps a more likely place to expect an out of control airliner to end up after having failed an emergency turnback to Malaysia ....)

Well, somebody is telling lies here... the trick is finding out whether it is the fishermen, or a few governments.....

Given the misinformation doled out so far, I think the fishermen look the most honest. Even if they are not sure of their days and times!
 
never trust gubment news! or gubment cheese when it comes to facts. you will be dissapointed erry time.
 
Try this one???????

Try this one???????

>>>>>
>>>>> If it wasn’t such a tragic event we could all freely laugh with great gusto at the mainstream media regarding the disappearance of Malaysian flight 370.
>>>>>
>>>>> Every single source, substantiated or not, was taken as a great revelation.
>>>>>
>>>>> It was and continues to be a sad circus of events.
>>>>>
>>>>> If those following the serious clues left available there is only one question to ask.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why does no one mention the Indian Oceans most advanced and secure air base, the stationary Aircraft Carrier located south of the southern tip of India called Diego Garcia?
>>>>>
>>>>> Not a peep. Not even an indication of a US managed military installation that monitors everything in this war region.
>>>>>
>>>>> In fact the best old metaphor regarding the lack of reference to this location is “The Silence Is Deafening.”
>>>>>
>>>>> So here it is.
>>>>>
>>>>> As CNN, Fox, MSNBC, CBC, BBC, CTV and all the rest are prepared to spout off theories without any solid confirmation, here is one from a source who wishes to remain unidentified from Northwest BC Canada.
>>>>>
>>>>> This individual comes from a three decade long background of exposing the secrets the one percent and the military forces would rather have remained secret. He has recently revealed what happened to flight 370. ‘Film at Eleven’.
>>>>>
>>>>> Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah prepared and practised with his home flight simulator and had determined the maximum speed and angle of decent the Boeing 777 could withstand.
>>>>>
>>>>> As soon as the flight reached the extent of the Malaysian radar capability, when he knew they would no longer expect to see his radar signal, he wished the ground crews good night.
>>>>>
>>>>> He then turned off one tracking device, waited to see if anyone responded or raised alarm for 15 minutes, then turned off all communication devices.
>>>>>
>>>>> He locked the cabin door to prevent anyone from entering after asking his co-pilot to get him a drink or check on a system outside of the cockpit.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Captain then immediately turned the plane southwest into a know flight path and climbed to over 40,000 ft. the maximum structural capability of the Boeing 777.
>>>>>
>>>>> He put on the pilot supplied air mask and kept the plane at over 40,000 ft until he was certain all the passengers and crew, including his co-pilot, were asphyxiated.
>>>>>
>>>>> From his flight simulator experimentation he had already determined the precise coordinates where he would initiate his next action.
>>>>>
>>>>> To bring the plane down at the maximum speed and maximum angle of decent to make a direct hit on the fuel storage tanks at Diego Garcia.
>>>>>
>>>>> As he initiated this direct course of action the American Military had not been concerned with the radar blip of this flight at 40,000 plus feet.
>>>>>
>>>>> They monitor vessels and flights which appear to be a threat or are invading their space.
>>>>>
>>>>> However they were suddenly brought into complete attention as their warning systems set off alarms.
>>>>>
>>>>> The base at Diego Garcia attempted to make radio contact and immediately dispatching interceptors.
>>>>>
>>>>> Knowing full well this was an imminent threat, having no time to debate the issue and recognizing the aircraft was operating in what was basically ‘stealth’ mode, uncommunicative, the plane was shot out of the sky.
>>>>>
>>>>> Becoming aware of which flight it was with the political and potential military repercussions, the US military ordered a complete lock down on all communications regarding the event and began dispatching crews to locate and pick up all the debris.
>>>>>
>>>>> When the rest of the world became aware the flight was missing the US Navy offered all their resource to help them look for it in the South China Sea, then the Gulf of Thailand, Bay of Bengal and the Strait of Malacca.
>>>>>
>>>>> This kept the worlds attention focused away from the location they were cleaning up.
>>>>>
>>>>> US 7th Fleet Commander William Marks told CNN “We wait for the Malaysians to tell us where to search and we go there.”
>>>>>
>>>>> This is the most telling statement of all. Since when does the US take directions from Malaysia unless they are simply providing the rope to let them hang themselves.
>>>>>
>>>>> The most powerful radar systems in the region are at Diego Garcia.
>>>>>
>>>>> A perfect target for such an attack, one the USA stopped and one they simply cannot reveal to the world due to the nationality of the passengers on board.
>>>>>
>>>>> They will continue to assist in the search while doing everything to ensure no one even mentions Diego Garcia in the mainstream media.


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That's all very interesting.......but - the pressurization system of the 777 would continue to work quite well even above the certified ceiling. The ceiling of 43100" was chosen because that's the maximum altitude the airplane can DESCEND from and still make it down to breathable levels within 14 minutes. The wings, engines and pressurization all work fine up there. Now, if the captain purposely depressurized the aircraft he would have without a doubt killed everyone - to include himself eventually because he would have frozen to death from the ambient air temperature at those altitudes.
 
Why Climb?

Why Climb?

That's all very interesting.......but - the pressurization system of the 777 would continue to work quite well even above the certified ceiling. The ceiling of 43100" was chosen because that's the maximum altitude the airplane can DESCEND from and still make it down to breathable levels within 14 minutes. The wings, engines and pressurization all work fine up there. Now, if the captain purposely depressurized the aircraft he would have without a doubt killed everyone - to include himself eventually because he would have frozen to death from the ambient air temperature at those altitudes.

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Why climb - to any altitude?

If his cruise altitude was FL350, why not dump the cabin pressure at that altitude.

The climb is puzzling………..
 
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Why climb - to any altitude?

If his cruise altitude was FL350, why not dump the cabin pressure at that altitude.

The climb is puzzling………..

The climb tells me there was no pitch mode engaged and the subsequent descent to circa 230 (if we are to believe it to be accurate) tells me the aircraft stalled from the higher altitude and recovered. Believe it or not that amount of altitude loss would be pretty consistent with a high altitude stall with no change in engine power. Modern airplanes "want" to fly and they can will recover from stalls all by themselves if left alone. The Boeing 777 has a feature called "Envelope Protection" which would have aided in this recovery.
 
stranger every day

stranger every day

so a Chinese ship cruises out of the search area, launches an inflatable, which moves 200 yds from their mother ship, I guess, to get away from all the noise a ship makes.
he then plops a pole over the side with a microphone on the end and magically he has arrived over the spot where a ping is heard through thousands of feet of water. He heard it above the sound of lapping sea water against the side of the inflatable, and over the top of the noise the mother ship was making
as they say clever these Chinese !
next on film we see a man with snorkel picking up bits and pieces and placing them in the inflatable.
I wonder how the Chinese knew where to look. submarines at work possibly ?

so if the location is now roughly identified I wonder if they are looking down wind/current for floating debris. if so why has nothing appeared ?. all gets stranger by the minute.
 
why bother doing any of it at all? The cockpit door is locked who is going to get in?

Why would the US need to hush up taking down an airliner that they can show was of course and aimed directly at their base? Just because there were chinese on board, I doubt it, in fact the opposite would be true. They would have informed the Chinese immediately, there is no fault.

The only reason why a government would cover up if it was inadvertent, that is a missile took out the airplane for no reason.

Russia shot down an airline when it strayed into its airspace thinking it was a US spy plane. No cover up required, no war was started.
 
Four events to ponder:

Four events to ponder:

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1/ Speech: September 27, 2001
http://www.c-span.org/video/?166343-1/airline-security-job-layoffs

Quotation that is located at 23:25 in the above speech;
"We will invest in new technology for aircraft security-- and for example, including technology to enable controllers to take over distressed aircraft and land it by remote control."​

Full text of the above speech; Remarks by the President to Airline Employees O'Hare International Airport


2/ Patent 7,142,971 The Boeing Company November 28, 2006
System and method for automatically controlling a path of travel of a vehicle

The patent's Abstract;
The method and system for automatically controlling a path of travel of a vehicle include engaging an automatic control system when the security of the onboard controls is jeopardized. Engagement may be automatic or manual from inside the vehicle or remotely via a communication link. Any onboard capability to supersede the automatic control system may then be disabled by disconnecting the onboard controls and/or providing uninterruptible power to the automatic control system via a path that does not include the onboard accessible power control element(s). The operation of the vehicle is then controlled via the processing element of the automatic control system. The control commands may be received from a remote location and/or from predetermined control commands that are stored onboard the vehicle.​

3/ The unusual disappearance, confusion and search for the aircraft.


4/ The exponential increase of individuals and governments braking into computer codes.

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If, IF, the 'good guys' had this control coding in the airplane and if, IF, the 'bad guys' hacked the computer coding, then .......... :noidea:

And, if this is the case, would not the good guys and the bad guys keep quite?
 
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1/ Speech: September 27, 2001
http://www.c-span.org/video/?166343-1/airline-security-job-layoffs

Quotation that is located at 23:25 in the above speech;
"We will invest in new technology for aircraft security-- and for example, including technology to enable controllers to take over distressed aircraft and land it by remote control."​

Full text of the above speech; Remarks by the President to Airline Employees O'Hare International Airport


2/ Patent 7,142,971 The Boeing Company November 28, 2006
System and method for automatically controlling a path of travel of a vehicle

The patent's Abstract;
The method and system for automatically controlling a path of travel of a vehicle include engaging an automatic control system when the security of the onboard controls is jeopardized. Engagement may be automatic or manual from inside the vehicle or remotely via a communication link. Any onboard capability to supersede the automatic control system may then be disabled by disconnecting the onboard controls and/or providing uninterruptible power to the automatic control system via a path that does not include the onboard accessible power control element(s). The operation of the vehicle is then controlled via the processing element of the automatic control system. The control commands may be received from a remote location and/or from predetermined control commands that are stored onboard the vehicle.​

3/ The unusual disappearance, confusion and search for the aircraft.


4/ The exponential increase of individuals and governments braking into computer codes.

__________________________​

If, IF, the 'good guys' had this control coding in the airplane and if, IF, the 'bad guys' hacked the computer coding, then .......... :noidea:

And, if this is the case, would not the good guys and the bad guys keep quite?

You probably don't want to hear this but the Triple 7 cannot be flown remotely. It lacks quite a bit of required equipment for that to happen.
 
You probably don't want to hear this but the Triple 7 cannot be flown remotely. It lacks quite a bit of required equipment for that to happen.
My ‘want’ is the one that a lot of people have; – What happened?


Months ago, while looking at US patents related to VTOL and control methods, the Boeing patent application came up. It was of no interest and was forgotten. Then the Malaysian flight and its mystery came onto the news every day.

Much of creativity is by considering the possibility of associated linkages. The curiosity was aroused.

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Perhaps the 777 is an ideal platform for remote control.
And if it is, 'they' are sure as heck not going to broadcast it to the world.

From Wikipedia ~ Boeing 777
"Boeing introduced a number of advanced technologies with the 777 design, including fully digital fly-by-wire controls, fully software-configurable avionics, Honeywell LCD glass cockpit flight displays, and the first use of a fiber optic avionics network on a commercial airliner. Boeing made use of work done on the cancelled Boeing 7J7 regional jet, which utilized similar versions of the chosen technologies. In 2003, Boeing began offering the option of cockpit electronic flight bag computer displays."​


:noidea: Dave
 
Actually the 787 would be a far better candidate.
 
Yes that's probably true, but perhaps there was a strong public demand for safe flight in 2001.

The first order for the 787's was in 2004 and the first commercial flight was not until 2011, which is 10 years after Bush made his speech for aircraft security.
 
Read Tom Clancy's A Debt Of Honor for a possibility. I wouldn't want to be in Washington,DC when the next president is sworn in.
 
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