Tandem Dominator with Rotax 912 - SOLD

Helo

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I would like to thank everyone for participation in this thread. I apologize if I did not replied to all inquiries.

The Domi, or “Lula”, as my (then) 4-year old daughter named her, has found a new knowledgeable, experienced and caring owner.

Big THANK YOU for the Forum and it’s moderators for making the sale possible.

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Tandem Dominator
Registered as E-LSA (the owner can obtain annual condition inspection privileges)
Rotax 912S: 150 hr. Airframe time: ≈250 hr.
New SportCopter 8”x28’ blades.
70” Warp Drive prop.
EIS engine monitor.
Hangared in Lansing, IL (2h from Mentone, IN).
Asking $21,500.

PM me for more details.
 

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wolfy

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Nice gyro mate.
Just wondering why the such large radiator, those engines only have liquid cooled heads and usually with the tiny rotax radiator you struggle to get them to run hot enough.

wolfy
 

Helo

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Nice gyro mate.
Just wondering why the such large radiator, those engines only have liquid cooled heads and usually with the tiny rotax radiator you struggle to get them to run hot enough.

wolfy
Thanks, Wolfy.
Right. That's why it comes with radiators' covers.
 

Kurtacrandell

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Tandem Dominator
Registered as E-LSA (the owner can obtain annual condition inspection privileges)
Rotax 912S: 150 hr. Airframe time: ≈250 hr.
New SportCopter 8”x28’ blades.
70” Warp Drive prop.
EIS engine monitor.
Hangared in Lansing, IL (2h from Mentone, IN)

PM me for more details.
How much are you asking? Can we fly it together so I can ready for my transition training? Is there anyone in your area to give such training? I’m only 2-3hrs from you in Lansing Mi.
 

Chuck Roberg

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How much are you asking? Can we fly it together so I can ready for my transition training? Is there anyone in your area to give such training? I’m only 2-3hrs from you in Lansing Mi.
It is located in Lansing Illinois not Landing Michigan. There is a gyro plane CFI based at Lansing Illinois airport.
 
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Is this currently in flying condition?
When was the most recent Annual Condition Inspection?
How can it be registered and an E-LSA ?
From everything that I have read, Gyroplanes were not included in the LSA regs by the FAA.
Thanks
 
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They can be flown by Sport Pilots and fit the definition of LSA for max speed max weight if 1320 pounds, etc. But for the purposes of maintenance and their category is Usually Experimental Amateur Built ( EAB) . So their Annual condition inspection can be done by either the original builder who hold the repairman's certificate issued to that specific aircraft, or by an A & P. It would be great if this Dominator was E- LSA.
 

Kevin_Richey

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Is this currently in flying condition?
When was the most recent Annual Condition Inspection?
How can it be registered and an E-LSA ?
From everything that I have read, Gyroplanes were not included in the LSA regs by the FAA.
Thanks
RE: ESLA (Experimental Light Sport Aircraft) registry. There was a window back in 2008 or so where the FAA was allowing the "fat" ultralights and other aircraft to become registered w/ the FAA as "N" numbered aircraft. This was through the EAA & other aircraft associations, such as the ASC. By completing documents through those organizations, gyroplanes were brought into the registry as LSA's, including some imported into the US, such as the early Xenons, by Colorado's Rob Dubin. This is not the same as SLSA, which are manufactured & completed aircraft.

I brought my Sport Copter Lightning gyroplane into becoming legally registered during that time. It had been assembled & test flown prior to my acquiring it. It was not registered nor N-numbered by the original owner. The Lightnings were close to being true ultralights, but slightly over the >254 # limit. They complied w/ the 5 gal. fuel limit & top speed >63 mph limits.

I was also able to obtain a Repairman's Certificate for it (since I tore it apart to replace most of the AN hardware, due to rust issues), by completing a classroom/shop course that used to be offered @ the one place in the US where it was offered, in Olney, Texas.

No corrosion issues were present on the gyro airframe/parts. They were either powder coated or annodized. The original owner had stored the gyro in a metal shed on his business property, which was a landscaping business. The rust was identical to what one's lawn & garden metal tools look like when bags of fertilizer are stored in a damp environment & they split open, exposing the crystals to humidity, corroding all steel & aluminum items nearby.

All the fasteners on the Rotax 503 engine had zero rust issues. Likely because of the coating on them (zinc?).
 

WaspAir

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There was talk of impending regulatory changes from the MOSAIC program but I have yet to see news of an actual NPRM and certanly no final rule has been trumpeted. Under the pre-existing rules, there was a brief time window, many years ago and long since closed, when LSA registration was possible, but it's been EAB or Primary ever since.

See FAR 21.190(a).
 

Roberd42

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I had been researching this. I have an LSR certificate with a Maintenance rating for “Airplanes”. There is no course for maintenance rating gyros. There is an inspection rating but as they said above, there’s only one course provider in the country in TX.

It seems to me when you fill out the 8130-6 for airworthiness application, you would check the operating light sport - kit built aircraft. That would allow one with the inspection rating to ad it and do the inspections. Will a DAR not approve this on a kit built gyro that meets LSA rules?

 

Vance

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I have heard that when the FAA was working on the Light Sport rules they had a lot of two seat “ultralight” gyroplanes and non-compliant single seat ultralights so they granted a short term exemption window to allow these aircraft to be registered as a Special Light Sport Aircraft (S LSA).

It is possible with a little paperwork to change an S LSA to an Experimental Light Sport Aircraft registration (E LSA) and I don’t understand the FAA’s thinking on this.

I have some hangar neighbors who did this on their two S SLA Cubs so they could modify their aircraft with fewer restrictions.

Only one original builder of an experimental aircraft may receive a repairman’s certificate for that aircraft.

A light Sport Pilot may fly any aircraft in the category and class they are rated as long as the aircraft meets the limitations of light sport no matter how it is registered.

This two place dominator is a lovely aircraft that would help people purchasing Dominators to receive transition training.

It seems very reasonably priced.
 

Kevin_Richey

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The gyro Repairman's Cert. course in TX hasn't been available for years. If a gyroplane builder can show they participated > 51% of their build, then they qualify to have their own inspection cert. for that aircraft.
 

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All I wanna know is HOW MUCH, for this Dominator? I might be interested.... Actually I am interested, but depends on the price
 
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