Special PRA board meeting at Bensen Days?

[GyroRon]

MJ didn't seem upset about anything when I saw her last the the new years fly in Chuck.

Like I said this whole issue has turned firends against each other. I still remember you coming up to me from behind thinking I was your buddy Jamie Bodie, Chuck... now look at where the two of you guys are at. All this negative crap towards Maxie and Jamie, towards the BOD - especially Gary and Glenn - Why?

Everyone here has the same goal, to do the right thing for the PRA. Some of you guys it would sem just want to act like nothing is wrong and let's just talk about how great the PRA is. That is fine because this debate has shown PRA to not be such a great thing. But all anyone wants is for the PRA to be run as the By laws require, and for the airport to be owned and managed in the PRA members best interests. if no one speaks up about things such as these - as has apparently been the case over the years - then you end up with a Org that is run by two or three people and those people end up thinking it is Their Org, and they can run it however the hell they please. I am not saying that is the case as of present, but from some of the stories I have heard -from both sides - it sounds like it has happened. They don't call it "Good Ole Boys" for nothing....

Anyway, I would really like the BOD to hold a meeting with the members at Bensen Days and have the papers or proof or whatever that everything is set up the best way and to get this issue done and over with.

 

[C. Beaty]

Anyway, I would really like the BOD to hold a meeting with the members at Bensen Days and have the papers or proof or whatever that everything is set up the best way and to get this issue done and over with.

That request should be addressed to Gary Goldsbury, not Richard Oxnam.

 

[gyroblackwell]

BOD meeting at Bensen Days

BOD meeting at Bensen Days

I am being told that things are in the works to fix what may be questionable with the paperwork .

And that this will be discussed and rectified at the meeting.

I am sure there will be a meeting with the general membership to present the
information, and resolve the issues.

I am doing what I can to address all issues that you/we the members of the PRA have. I will do what I can to bring everyone up to speed.

a committee is working on the website to update, and Improve the site.

Stay tuned!

 

[barnstorm2]

Thanks Tim!

 

[GyroRon]

I am being told that things are in the works to fix what may be questionable with the paperwork .

And that this will be discussed and rectified at the meeting.

I am sure there will be a meeting with the general membership to present the
information, and resolve the issues.

I am doing what I can to address all issues that you/we the members of the PRA have. I will do what I can to bring everyone up to speed.

a committee is working on the website to update, and Improve the site.

Stay tuned!

okay then, this sounds like just what I wanted. Thanks Tim

 

[madmax]

From Chuck

Don’t hold your breath while awaiting a response. I’m surprised you have the gall to show your face at Bensen Days after having called his wife a liar. Mary Jane is still steaming over that.

Tell you what Chuck!! All you have to do is have Catfish or MJ ask me not to go and I'll be happy to stay home. This would be my 20th consecutive year attending BensenDays, But I'll not go if that is their wish, and at that, my 19th year will be my final year. Maybe at this point I should just wait to hear from them, just to make sure it's OK for me to go.

Funny how people react to things isn't it!

It reminds me of this guy I knew. You see he cheated on his wife. Of course as luck would have it she found out from a mutual friend. Most of the family was very upset the this man took his commitments so lightly that he would do such a thing to his wife and family. The man and his close friends how ever were ever so mad at the lady that spilled the beans, as if his divorce was her fault for letting the facts be known and not his for being, well, what he is.

Also, I'm on that paper thing again. Maybe you could just pull the post that you refer to MJ is upset over. You see I don't remember calling MJ or anyone else a Liar. I do however remember disagreeing with some of her statements, but then I disagree with most all of yours and I don't remember you saying I called you Lair either, you just say I'm Jamie and Mike's patsy because you can find nothing to hang over my head to discredit me with. Although I must say you have given it a valiant effort.

 

[madmax]

From Chuck

That request should be addressed to Gary Goldsbury, not Richard Oxnam.

I agree with Ron.

BensenDays is the Sun States Fly-in and any planed events should go through them.

 

[GyroRon]

The thing that tickles me about all this, is I know Maixe is sitting on the computer with his feet on the desk, a Margarita close at hand, and a smile on his face as he writes this stuff! Maxie your da man!

 

[madmax]

You just have to love a GOOD Margarita

 

[madmax]

OH yea, lets not forget a good cigar. My wife found me some very good French vanilla and bourbon flavored cigars by CAO. Ever so nice at the end of the day.

 

[jamiebodie]

STOP FOR ONE SECOND. Do you guys realize that the people that are angry with us and have belittled, slandered and flat out lied out us, have done it all because we asked to see paperwork, as board members, that would ensure that the PRA was set up properly and would have it assetts protected. They are angry with us for not following along blindly as those before us did. WHO SHOULD THEY BE ANGRY WITH? Well, I would say the people that have caused this to go on for two years by not either producing the paperwork, or admitting there was a problem.

With that I give you this promise. I will NEVER vote for anyone who is running for the BOD that does not frequent and participate in this (or another should that come along) conference.

Maxie, remember that MJ was angry with you and I about Texas. Turns out we hadn't even taken part in what she was angry about. I think somene mislead her into believing things that weren't true. I would hope that if she is angry she would come to one of us and get things settled and not just sit down in Florida allowing Chuck to fan the flames.

Jamie

 

[madmax]

I remember it well!! No one asked me anything about it though. I just heard of their anger and accusations from others.

 

[Heron]

Hey Jamie (that does not read my posts)
Now that you are half awake, how does the coffee smells?
Heron

 

[madmax]

Hey Jamie (that does not read my posts)
Now that you are half awake, how does the coffee smells?
Heron

What????????

 

[skyguynca]

Guys, if you have a problem with the BOD. All you need is a petition and a electric one signed on here by the members or a paper one signed by the members, demanding this issue be settled and they have to do it. If it does not meet with your satisfaction, fire the board memeber, you can do it you pay your dues and have your rights to do so.

 

[Heron]

I have posted this question here before and was to lazy to follow up or go to the by-laws and see the options.
Can the membership call a meeting and remove the BOD?
Heron
Maxie, it is a joke, ok?

 

[barnstorm2]

STOP FOR ONE SECOND. Do you guys realize that the people that are angry with us and have belittled, slandered and flat out lied out us, have done it all because we asked to see paperwork, as board members, that would ensure that the PRA was set up properly and would have it assetts protected. They are angry with us for not following along blindly as those before us did. WHO SHOULD THEY BE ANGRY WITH? Well, I would say the people that have caused this to go on for two years by not either producing the paperwork, or admitting there was a problem.

Jamie,

I was not present when you quit. I was not present when you asked how the paperwork was setup. I can only do my best to try and keep from pre-judging from the accounts of people that were around and boy do they differ!

I can however see how this has been handled since I started paying attention to the issue.

In my opinion the issue (since I started following it) has been handled in a very inflammatory style and rather unconstructively. Then others (I guess they just like to stir things up) jumped in and made even less constructive and more inflammatory statements many baised on conjecture.

What I am trying to say here is there is plenty of 'fault' to go around from what I have seen.

From the way this as been handled (unconstructively/inflammatory) it does admittedly tend to make me what to put more weight to the accounts that say you did not care about this issue at all until other things the board did to upset you got you on this 'mission'.

What I am trying to say here is that from the opinion of someone who was outside of this when it started, the end in no way justifies the means. The means have been so bad that they are worse than having no end at all. I don't think it has to have been this way and that is sad.

Continuing to point fingers and pass blame will not keep us moving forward. If you want to do so can it please wait until after all of this is settled so the process is not diluted or stalled?

With that I give you this promise. I will NEVER vote for anyone who is running for the BOD that does not frequent and participate in this (or another should that come along) conference.

I would not make this vow but you have a valid point. A board or PRA official that is active on this forum and or the internet is a very very valuable asset. However, the vary way this 'issue' has been handled has caused PRA board members and PRA officials to NOT post here and NOT use the internet. So ironically, the way many of us have behaved has hindered the very thing you are trying to promote as a requirement!

fan the flames.
Jamie

Speaking of fanning the flames, can you get Maxie to send me one of his cigars?

The reason I am replying to this post is an attempt to ask everyone on all sides to please not drag out who is angry with whom but rather to try and work for common ground with respect to each other as pilots.

I respect you (Jamie) and Maxie for your concern for the assets and running of the PRA. However, I find it difficult to keep that feeling of respect because of the way the situation has been handled, the worst of which has come from not you two but others you have encouraged (from my perspective). I would like to ask you to take some responsiblity for this and to please help reign this in when you see it happening. When you let it 'fly off the handle' it does lend people to think you have alterier motives in this whole matter such as revenge rather then having the good of the PRA as your intent.

I want to ask you to please not harp on who caused what, but rather concentrate on who is working to fix what.

( and of course getting Maxie to send me one of his cigars to try )

 

[barnstorm2]

Guys, if you have a problem with the BOD. All you need is a petition and a electric one signed on here by the members or a paper one signed by the members, demanding this issue be settled and they have to do it. If it does not meet with your satisfaction, fire the board memeber, you can do it you pay your dues and have your rights to do so.

Excellent.

A petition is one of the solutions offered in the 'solution' thread.

If you are a PRA member you have a vote.

The two used together can change anything that needs fixed or changed.

 

[gyroblackwell]

please see post #43

please see post #43

Again,

As a board member, please be patient, and be assured that things are being done to answer all our questions, and put all of our minds at ease.

Great post Tim O'conner .....

Besen Days is only a little over a month away !

 

[C. Beaty]

I hate to reiterate this mess all over again but there are some who’ve just come onboard that may think this cabal is acting in good faith.

All began when the PRA Convention was held in Waxahachie, Texas several years. Normally, the PRA makes money from the conventions but this one lost, as best I can recall, $6,000.

With the departure of Paul Abbott as the PRA magazine editor, new memberships and renewals were plummeting; the PRA was between a rock and a hard spot financially.

Gary Goldsbury had to take drastic action to stop the financial bleeding so at the PRA convention the following year at Mentone, he fired Jamie Bodie as PRA webmaster ($150/month for 15 minutes of work while seated on his living room sofa) and Dan Leslie who was putting gyro films on a TV satellite.

I have no idea how much Dan was charging the PRA but it was subsidized by Art Evans (Mr. Dixie Chopper) who was sharing part of the cost by running some lawnmower commercials. It wasn’t cheap.

It rubs me the wrong way when board members of a non-profit, volunteer organization use their positions for personal profit, whatever the state statutes regulating them may say.

Another item that came up at that meeting was why should the same people who had been providing entertainment for free at Bensen Days for years be paid for doing the same thing at Waxahachie. I think Gary erroneously believed Jamie was sharing his take with Maxie but Maxie seems to have been totally unaware that Jamie was paid. The amount mentioned was $600. Or maybe it was $800.

Jamie tried to cover his tracks by having the check made payable to his pal, Mike Gibson. Mike did not attend the Waxahachie flyin.

Jamie flat-out and repeatedly denied having received “one thin dime” for performing in Texas until the PRA book keeper (Pam Bundy) found the ledger book entry.

But Jamie has a problem with the truth even when the subject is totally irrelevant.

He claims to have graduated from the University of South Carolina “Magna Cum Laude” (meaning second highest in class) with a degree in “exercise science/premed” but there is no such bachelor’s degree that I’m aware of. Exercise science sounds like a course counting toward a degree in physical education, the normal major for jocks on athletic scholarship where the grading is measured by how well they can dribble a basketball. But it won’t get one into medical school.

Most entrants into medical school have a degree in biology plus the prerequisites of physics and chemistry. I suppose a person with a music degree could be accepted into medical school with the necessary prerequisites of physics, chemistry and biology.

First year collage physics can be tackled with no more than algebra and trigonometry but Jamie gave himself away when he, on a post way back asked me if to calculate the area of a rectangular channel required the use of pi. Unlikely that he had college physics.

What is my conclusion regarding the Mention airport?

The paperwork may not have been neat and tidy but often is not when unpaid volunteers are running the show.

I think Jamie is so obsessed with revenge over his firing as webmaster that obsession is becoming paranoia. From what Maxie has posted previously, Jamie was out of work and in a serious financial pinch at the time.

I don’t know what motivates Maxie but have never thought his intent was malicious.

There is a serious dichotomy between his off the cuff posts, the real Maxie, like this:

#42 This is for ideas and slutions only. Discustions and opinions belong on the Gary thread.

#202 When he states it that way it make you think his membership don't count because his heart is't in it enough. I think that's Bull!

And his long winded 1,000 word posts where the grammar/structure/ spelling is at least tolerable. Does anyone type 1,000 word posts with one finger? Perhaps he has a ghostwriter/puppetmaster?

Whatever the motivations, whenever this thread begins to die down, Jamie always posts something just to bring it up to the top and keep the pot bubbling.

I believe the Mentone Airport issue is nothing more than a red herring used as a cover for real intent. If not the airport, it would be something else.

Many others and I have devoted countless hours to the PRA and have never asked nor would have accepted a nickel for our efforts. It galls me when people who first ask; “What’s in it for me?” try to destroy the PRA.