Special PRA board meeting at Bensen Days?

[barnstorm2]

From the 'Solution Thread' :

schipperke
your post 42 belongs on the gary thread. This is for ideas and slutions only. Discustions and opinions belong on the Gary thread.

Thanks

 

[jamiebodie]

And Dean your post is in the wrong place also. Web police, web police, web police.

I have posted my questions 100 times in 100 different ways, go to any one of them. Better yet just give us full disclosure of what you find. What you are going to find is that the PRA and it's members have absolutely no authority over PRA Mentone and that PRA Mentone owns the airport. This means the PRA members get to pay for the airport, but they have no say in how it is run or even if it is kept or sold.

 

[gyroplanes]

BOD agenda @ Bensen Days

BOD agenda @ Bensen Days

Any chance that while at Bensen Days the BOD can sit down in the conference tent and have a chat with us mere PRA general membership and set the record straight and end this debate and fussing over some of the issues that still don't seem to be resolved to some peoples satisfaction?

1. Who is the legal owner of the airport?

2. Who is the legal owner of the PRA museum and does it pay rent to PRA mentone?

3. Why does the PRA membership not have any direct involvement with the PRA Mentone Board of directors

If there are any other important questions I will cut and paste this into an e-mail to PRA HQ and request that these questions be added to the agenda for the BOD meeting.

Plese try to limit additional questions to important ones. The BOD meetings frequently run four or more hours. I'd hate to have improtant issues rushed through.

I would hope that the PRA president would include the answers to these questions during his annual report to the membership at both Bensen Days and the PRA Covention.

 

[barnstorm2]

What you are going to find is that the PRA and it's members have absolutely no authority.......

Jamie, Sounds like you have made up your mind and don't care to hear anything else as you won't beleave it anyway (as I and others have feared and suggested).

So do you think the elections are rigged and we really can't vote the board members in?? If so how did you get elected, how did you rig it, please tell.

Following this logic there is no reason to approach the board members at
all with anything.

 

[barnstorm2]

If there are any other important questions I will cut and paste this into an e-mail to PRA HQ and request that these questions be added to the agenda for the BOD meeting.

Plese try to limit additional questions to important ones. The BOD meetings frequently run four or more hours. I'd hate to have improtant issues rushed through.

I would hope that the PRA president would include the answers to these questions during his annual report to the membership at both Bensen Days and the PRA Covention.

There is a clear and present effort to make this an easy straightforward process in the thread "Ideas to solve the Airport problem".

But it seems no one can take the time to re-read a previous thread... just rehash the same old junk in other threads. Real pitty...

 

[Dean_Dolph]

And Dean your post is in the wrong place also. Web police, web police, web police.

Well, uh, yeah, but it was just easier to provide David the info here than drag his post (I have done that at times) to somewhere else and then respond to it. Call me lazy!

 

[jamiebodie]

Jamie, Sounds like you have made up your mind and don't care to hear anything else as you won't beleave it anyway (as I and others have feared and suggested).

So do you think the elections are rigged and we really can't vote the board members in?? If so how did you get elected, how did you rig it, please tell.

Following this logic there is no reason to approach the board members at
all with anything.

Tim, are you swinging at air here? Don't put words in my mouth I am plenty good at that. As I have stated hundreds of times before all I need is to see the proper paperwork and I will not only believe I will testify.

I have never said anything about elections being rigged (another swing into mid air). As a matter of fact I suggested that the poeple of this conference should vote out every existing board member with the exception of you and Tom Milton. Why would I indicate this if I didn't believe in the election process???????

I have been after this paperwork for two years and here you sit complaining to me about doing what I have done all along and that is ask to see the paperwork concerning PRA and PRA Mentone. You know what I have stated above is going to be how things work out unless the present board is making the changes as we speak and if they are I am happy they are doing so. It ain't about me being right, it is about the membership of this great organization owning what they are paying for and setting things up properly. That is what it has always been about and what it will always be about.

BTW, your statement about aproaching board members is pretty on target with a few rare exceptions.

Jamie

 

[jamiebodie]

Well, uh, yeah, but it was just easier to provide David the info here than drag his post (I have done that at times) to somewhere else and then respond to it. Call me lazy!

Dean, I understand and agree completly.

Jamie

 

[GyroRon]

All I want is for this to be cleared up. Jamie and Maxie both said they have been trying to get this resolved for over a year while they were still on the board. And they still are at it and now they have alot of others who want answers too.

This whole thing has been blown WAY overboard, and alot of friends are now pissed at each other over this.

All anyone wants is for a clear legal proof - the so called "Paper" that Maxie and Jamie have been asking for - that the PRA members have control over the airport, which they don't clearly have right now.

 

[barnstorm2]

Tim, it just seems like you are bitter over this whole thing..

I would say disappointed. Other groups and forums I have experience with work things out in much more productive fashions.

All I want is for this to be cleared up.

Indeed, I feel the same way.

This whole thing has been blown WAY overboard, and alot of friends are now pissed at each other over this.

AMEN. I am seeing the common sense Ron I am used to.

All anyone wants is for a clear legal proof - the so called "Paper" that Maxie and Jamie have been asking for - that the PRA members have control over the airport, which they don't clearly have right now.

This is disappointing. You are the very one who was saying that there is no "paper" in the 'gary' thread. Please go back and read the 'gary' and 'solution' threads. That is how we finally got them on to working on a solution. You forgot you are the hero that got the sides working in a positive direction.

I am disappointed when instead of a polite “ hey can we get an update” the first thing I get are accusations of stalling.

Tim, are you swinging at air here? As a matter of fact I suggested that the poeple of this conference should vote out every existing board member with the exception of you and Tom Milton. Why would I indicate this if I didn't believe in the election process???????

I am disappointed when Jamie pays so little attention to the topic, posts and what is going on that the even thinks I am on the board of directors. I don’t even have a lifetime membership yet.

I am disappointed when Jamie and others can’t even follow a logical extrapolation I make on one of their comments.


just disappointed....

 

[GyroRon]

Tim, yes I saw that too, where Jamie made references about you being on the board... Maybe he was saying you would make a good board member? Who knows. Sorry.

And yes sorry for the stalling comment and the bitter comment. Just seemed like you didn't want to give us a update.

I know there is likely no "paper" But I am just using Paper as a loose term here. We just need proof in one form or another.

AMEN. I am seeing the common sense Ron I am used to.

does this mean we can be friends again?

 

[barnstorm2]

does this mean we can be friends again?

We have always been friends Ron. (Though I think Lisa is still pissed at ya ). I think she understands it was just a badly made off-hand comment but still I hope you have a thick skin as she might have some choice comments when you meet!

 

[GyroRon]

oh no! Is she coming to Bensen Days too? I might have to hide in my tent!!! I really hope you told her that I did not read your whole post and I did not know that was her. I was just being a smartass.

 

[madmax]

Soooo

After all of that, does it mean that the BOD will meet with the members or not?

I haven't seen anything from Catfish yet. To meet or not to meet! That is the question.

PS sorry Tim neither Jamie or I post with the intent to piss you or any one else off, well maybe Chuck, but that's just because we love him so. Any way, when we have some one ask us to just talk to a member of the Board and they will get you an answer or start another thread to get the answer or just get your questions togeather and e-mail Gary. It is apparent that they have no understanding of this issue. This all started when we were both on the Board. We could not get answers then, face to face with them all, meeting after meeting, request after request for over two years now and still no answer. I hope Ron is right. I hope they do show up with the proper paper work. Remember it does not matter that the papers were drawn up yesterday. Just as long as they exist.

Also I'll have to take the heat for getting you confused with the other Tim (that is on the Board) at times. Sorry.

 

[barnstorm2]

Also I'll have to take the heat for getting you confused with the other Tim (that is on the Board) at times. Sorry.

Apology/Confustion accepted. It can be hard with people that have the same first name. I am honored to be confused with the talanted and honorable Tim Blackwell.

I hope they do show up with the proper paper work. Remember it does not matter that the papers were drawn up yesterday. Just as long as they exist..

Maxie, please review the 'solution' thread and previous threads.

Currently we know:

1. There is no paper.
2. The board is already planning on discussing making a document that more clearly states ownership of the airport.

We are currently working on:

1. That when I get the papers from the PRA (DONE) I hire an IN accountant or council (Done) to draft a document that would clearly state that PRA controls PRA Mentone. And present it to the board and ask them to ratify it. ( In Progress )

2. That if council says that (1) above is not possible because of non-prof laws or other legal reason ( IN PROGRESS ) that we draft a formal proposal to the PRA board (signed by as many current PRA members in good standing as possible) that the board of PRA Mentone be elected not by the board (current) but by the PRA membership directly through a ballot process much like we elect the board now. ( Awaiting the IN PROGRESS results )

This work is not fun or cheap and considering the board is planning on discussing this anyway we are just pushing the matter onto the board.

I have seen these things handled in much better ways but it seems we lack the patience and the manors to go about it in any other way.

 

[jamiebodie]

I am disappointed when Jamie pays so little attention to the topic, posts and what is going on that the even thinks I am on the board of directors. I don’t even have a lifetime membership yet.

I am disappointed when Jamie and others can’t even follow a logical extrapolation I make on one of their comments.


just disappointed....

I must apoligize, this entire time I thought you were Tim B. the board member. I mean from the beginning, sorry I never caught my mistake. I actually thought you were a concerned BOD member. Since I have never met either of you I got my Tim's crossed.

 

[Heron]

No wonder, you've guys lost an airport and cant find it, crossing Tim's is a minor glitch!
Just kidding!
Heron

 

[madmax]

I have seen these things handled in much better ways but it seems we lack the patience and the manors to go about it in any other way.

You have just got admit that over two years for this to become important enough for the Board to address is, well 35 months too long.

 

[madmax]

If there are any other important questions I will cut and paste this into an e-mail to PRA HQ and request that these questions be added to the agenda for the BOD meeting.

All of these questions have been asked before at the Board meetings. I will never accept a verbal answer that can not be backed up with paper, and now I don't believe the membership will either.

Plese try to limit additional questions to important ones. The BOD meetings frequently run four or more hours. I'd hate to have improtant issues rushed through.

If anyone has a question, then they should ask it, important to you or not. If you feel it is not worthy of your efforts, just say so.

I would hope that the PRA president would include the answers to these questions during his annual report to the membership at both Bensen Days and the PRA Covention.

Me too, with the papers to back it up. I'm sure he will be asked. I do hope he comes prepared.

 

[C. Beaty]

I haven't seen anything from Catfish yet. To meet or not to meet! That is the question.

Don’t hold your breath while awaiting a response. I’m surprised you have the gall to show your face at Bensen Days after having called his wife a liar. Mary Jane is still steaming over that.