jany77
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- Joined
- Jul 13, 2008
- Messages
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- Location
- central california
- Aircraft
- cessna 150,172,182,trikes,ul
- Total Flight Time
- over 2250
208 kts with open cockpit ??? , they will be lucky to get 68 kts, probably scam
I wondered where he got money to buy all of those companies.Besides being an aerospace engineer he was also "at one time" one of the largest organic corn producers in New York !!!
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A "certified" Cavalon as in primary category??I talked to them for a while. My first question was how were they going to sell the service when you cannot use experimental aircraft for commercial use. He/they did not know you could not use them to earn money flying unless the aircraft has a LODA for flight training.
He was bummed out!!
I told him they could way overcharge to create the display but would have to find a pilot who would fly for fun or an educational experience.
Or offer night flight training.
I've not seen his services offered so expect they finally researched the FAA reg's and discovered it was illegal.
Today if they bought a certified Cavalon this business would work.
I guess that answers Loftus's one question...I saw this Electric Nano at Oshkosh this year. It was a static display with the fan motors mounted. No wiring, batteries or rotor.
Yaw Mon...A "certified" Cavalon as in primary category??
Special Airworthiness Certificate
Primary Category
A Primary Category, special airworthiness certificate is issued to operate aircraft that have been type certificated in the primary category. Aircraft in this category are of a simple design and intended exclusively for pleasure and personal use. Although these aircraft may be available for rental and flight instruction under certain conditions, the carrying of persons or property for hire is prohibited.
Aircraft certificated in this category must be manufactured under a production certificate. This includes aircraft assembled from a kit under the production certificate holder's supervision and quality control system. Kit-built aircraft built without the production certificate holder's supervision are only eligible for certification in the experimental category.
I know of several that are being rented out on flight lines, Clubs, aerial photography, crop inspection etc.I thought those were pretty much the same as E-AB as far as commercial use...
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Hmm, the way it was explained to me is that "persons or property for hire" includes carrying such things as cameras, etc. and you'd need a letter from the FAA to do almost anything that requires payment. I believe, the way things stand now, that means an exemption for primary category, not a mere LoDA, as for E-ABs.I know of several that are being rented out on flight lines, Clubs, aerial photography, crop inspection etc.
The way they explained it to me... was the only exception is they cannot charge to carry people for hire.
§ 91.325 Primary category aircraft: Operating limitations.
(a) No person may operate a primary category aircraft carrying persons or property for compensation or hire.
(b) No person may operate a primary category aircraft that is maintained by the pilot-owner under an approved special inspection and maintenance program except -
(1) The pilot-owner; or
(2) A designee of the pilot-owner, provided that the pilot-owner does not receive compensation for the use of the aircraft.
FAR Part 91 - General Operating and Flight Rules.
a. Section 91.325 lists operating limitations unique to primary category aircraft. No person may operate a primary category aircraft carrying persons or property for compensation or hire. If maintained by an FAA-certificated mechanic or appropriately rated repair station, a primary category aircraft may be rented for personal use as well as rented for flight instruction. 12 Par 21 6/14/94 JOHN K. MCGRATH Manager,
AC 21-37 b. Section 91.325(b) permits a person other than the pilot owner to operate a primary category aircraft maintained by the pilot-owner as long as the pilot-owner is not compensated for use of the aircraft. For example, this allows a pilot-owner to lend the aircraft to a pilot friend or to demonstrate the aircraft to a prospective buyer. It also allows a pilot-owner whose certificate is not current to regain currency using a certificated flight instructor in the pilot-owner's self maintained primary category aircraft.
c. The 12-month annual inspection required by§ 91.409(a) is required for primary category aircraft that have been issued an airworthiness certificate under§ 21.184. In addition, the 100-hour inspection required by§ 91.409(b) is required if the aircraft is used for rental or flight instruction. Pilot-owners that do not also hold airframe and powerplant mechanic ratings and/or inspection authorizations are not authorized to perform the inspections.
That clears it up for me. I need to reach out to a few pilots/friends with this information.
I know of several that are being rented out on flight lines, Clubs, aerial photography, crop inspection etc.
The way they explained it to me... was the only exception is they cannot charge to carry people for hire.
Don't rely on that 1994 Advisory Circular . The FAA has messed up everything this year in response to the Warbirds case, and the bizarre but currently applicable interpretation that all flight instruction is by definition carrying persons for compensation. LODAs are easily available for Experimentals but not authorized by statute for Primary (an exemption is necessary and much harder to get).