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This is a new gyro concept being aimed at the manned rotary surveillance market utilizing Star SAFIRE thermal imaging by Gyrojet. Piston or turbine options.
 

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Hummm, very interesting...
 

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John the two gentlemen behind this operation are very experienced military rotary wing pilots, one a long time gyro pilot.

They are aiming at a very small niche market of governmental manned security surveillance using some very sophisticated equipment and a simple low cost( comparatively speaking) aerial platform.

I had a very long chat with the gyro guy and it was fascinating to listen to him describing this venture and how they had arrived at what they were aiming at producing.

It probably won't be anything we would ever be seeing and 1.25 million pounds, but a gyro nonetheless.
 

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Looks like a photoshop job to convince the government to give them cash.

I doubt it will ever come into service but if they can live on the government cash good luck to them, plenty of other ppl do it.
 

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Hmmm

Hmmm

Don't seem to much angle of attack or coning on those rotors in flight?
Could be a bit hard to take off and land without damaging the prop.

Maybe some video might shed some light.

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Those are simply artists impressions not actual machines. It is at the moment in development.

The Brits did manage to produce the Fairy Rotordyne in the 50's so imagine they will be able to produce this should they get the required orders.

There is presently at least two surveillance machines operating daily that I see over and around London, one a twin turbine Defender and one Me Bolkow that cost more, so there appears to remain a need for manned aerial platforms.
 

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Looks like forward visibility sucks. I suppose the Sky Car did leave a vacuum to be filled though.....
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Gyro-Jet

Gyro-Jet

If I'd know they were going to be at Farnborough, I'd have gone into the show. Instead I was revelling in seeing the flying demonstrations every day from the comfort of my office nearby.

Their website http://www.gyro-jet.com is a bit light on detail but I really wish them luck. A few hurdles to cross as, in the UK, gyros are not currently allowed (please correct me if I'm wrong) to engage in commercial or IFR flights and nor can we fly over built-up areas.

As the likes of Gyro-Jet and (here's hoping) Carter Copter raise the bar in terms of construction, equipment and budget, maybe these restrictions will be overcome.

Without wishing to read too much into the name - is this proposed to be a turbo-prop?

Fingers crossed,
Clive
 
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Clive, you lucky devil, my impression was that there would be both piston and turbine, The turbine version would use the same engine as the present Defender. Are you over in the office block near TAG?

It has never been aimed at the civilian market, just the military and police and border patrol. Having said that it would most probably have to conform to section T.

With regard to visibility yes it does seem a little restrictive but it is early days, and looks about as good as the Defender. Anyone want really good viz should consider the Edgely Optica which was about as good as one could get in that regard.

It is neither a Defender alternative or competitor nor a helicopter like the Bolkow 105 since the Defender has weapon hard-points and both do casevac. It is a very specific small niche type specialist vehicle, for which the company believes there exists a limited need for a manned 2 person vehicle with a sophisticated surveillance capability.
 

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Are you over in the office block near TAG?
No - in an old office block on top of Farnborough town centre. 3rd floor, so an excellent view of the action. Some of the aircraft appear to use the building as a VRP, so many of the aircraft (including the Arrows!) turn just above us. Apparently, the staff used to be able to get on the roof, but Elf and Safety (Nanny State!) intervened and we have to watch behind glass. It's a great free show, though.

I like the sound of weapons hard-points (on the Defender). Some people just don't take us seriously in the circuit! :laser:

All the best,
Clive
 

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The RAF use these

The RAF use these

The RAF currently use these.

http://www.diamond-sensing.com/da42mpp+M52087573ab0.html

They may not have the slow speed performance and must use a runway but with 12 hrs endurence and a 1300Nm range they must be hard beat.

Not to mention,

Certified
4 seat
2 engines
Easy access to spares
Easy maintenance by any Light aircraft engineer
Proven record
Available right now

I wish them all the best with their idea, and any advance in autogyro's is great but their business plan and expectations is a bit out there.
Lets face it there a lot of helis out there that are capable of what they are trying to acheive and wouldn't need the years of design and development.
 

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I would have to agree with a lot of what all of you are saying, I have merely put it to the Forum since it was a new gyro concept/project. I am not selling it

It seem to have had a lot of work put into it by a couple of guys with good backgrounds and contacts in the military and they seem to have attracted enough interest to be at a stand at Farnborough.

As I have already pointed out it is a niche market they are aiming at.

With regard to the Diamond what is the landing roll? How many engines has it got? Yes there are helis. Man hour per flight hr? Unit cost?

Designing a gyro isn't rocket science. Simplicity is their key element. Low acquisition cost. Low maintenance cost. Ease of operation.

If they have got their sums right it will work, possibly, if not it will fail.

I saw Neville Duke demo the Optica at Farnborough in around 1980 for just this sort of job. It is still being marketed today but never seems to have succeeded, so sometimes it works, fits the role, but never makes it. The F20 Tigershark was a fantastic aircraft, never made it. History is littered with these, but at least someone had a vision and produced them.

If they are at the right place right time...who knows.
 
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