RAF version of Quebec accident

[ventana7]

Kevin,

Thanks for the great post.
I am going to start a new thread to continue this discussion of pitch vs. power
Rob

 

[ben]

kevin

oh-no wait till ken and chuck e. reads that post lol lol lol

kevin i'm glad you took the time to talk to him !!!! did he breath fire and crap thunder for ya lol lol lol because to some people here think he is satan himself lol lol lol

look all jokes aside, my point is this , if you want to know what jim logan thinks about hozs. stabs or the way he teaches, or what he thinks of raf or how one flys or anything else, please do dont take kennys or chuck e. or my word on it for that matter.i think you might be pleasently suprised!!!! call him, his phone # is 516-746-3427 or when ya see him at bensen days, SnF or mentone walk up to him and ask anything you want about gyros or just say hi.

 

[C. Beaty]

Loopholism

“The victim had only 8 hours of dual and wasn’t signed off for solo” (900 hours or whatever in an AirComand doesn’t count?).

“The victim was not an RAF CFI/agent”. “Don says that he supplied him with the necessary spares on credit and asked him to rebuild the machine” (KJ: post #1) Would Don have supplied the parts to me on credit? Or for that matter, anyone he had not signed up as an agent?

Obfuscation

Change the subject; paw the dirt; fake a punt

Wring your hands over how some people are encouraging others to go fly without training. That’s a totally false accusation but self-training following the Bensen syllabus to the letter was an acceptable, perhaps better, considering some of the instructors I know, substitute for dual instruction.

“he cited specifically individuals who encouraged or permitted non-gyro-qualified friends to fly their machines” (KOB post #60)

Ron Awad and I are the only individuals to have confessed to that transgression but neither of us has blood on our hands. Neither one of us would have permitted a Joe Klutz C-150 pilot to fly our gyros. Furthermore, if I owned a machine as unstable as a stabless RAF-2000, I wouldn’t have allowed Chuck Yeager to fly it without specific in type training.

Jim Logan and others who feign apoplexy over the thought of a non-gyro pilot flying a gyro have never flown one that is stable and haven’t the foggiest notion of how easy it is to fly if it’s truly stable.

But that’s not the point; the real purpose is to obfuscate; to change the subject.

Then we have the brigade of RAF camp followers bemoaning the deduction some of us have made that this crash was quite clearly a bunt; pilot incapacitation, mechanical failure, yada, yada, yada. “Let’s wait until we find out what’s in the bottom of that smoking hole.”

 

[Doug Riley]

Chuck, I see your B.S. detector is in tune and working well.

The ability to spot standard logical fallacies and propaganda techniques is really crucial in our society. For one thing, we have a take-no-prisoners consumer culture. B.S. in advertising is expected and passes without objection. For another, we have a political system in which bamboozling the voters is a high-stakes sport. Success in either political B.S. or consumer B.S. carries rewards measured in the tens of billions of dollars for the bamboozlers and their friends/clients. IOW, we're flooded with bull all the time. You need a bull-detector just to survive.

No one has been able to provide a coherent technical defense of the RAF gyro design. It's just an old, amateurish mistake that never got fixed. (Fortunately, Dennis Fetters's identical amateur design mistake got fixed by the Smiths when they took over Air Command. PPO problem solved.)

A few of us defend the indefensible RAF because of personal connections with one or the other of the RAF insiders. Personal loyalty to one's friends is admirable (and getting scarce). OTOH, blind loyalty when the friend does something wrong is no favor to anyone, though -- including the friend.

Friends don't let friends drive drunk, but they also don't let friends persist in misguided, unethical behavior without calling them on it. You're a truer friend if you do call them on it than if you don't.

 

[KenSandyEggo]

Kev, if it were that simple, why the need for plagiarism and lifting sentences from the heli section and inserting them into the gyro section as if they were one and the same and then posting the butchered up sentences as if they were written solely for gyros? Why the need for that except to pull the wool over people's eyes as to a dangerous theory?

I've posted my piece on this matter and am tired of repeating myself to some people who are going to believe what they want to anyway. (Crowd: HIP, HIP HOORAY!)

 

[Harry_S.]

Here in the USA ...Information pertaining to pilots and aircraft is available thru the FAA...as public information, via the internet.

If this similar info on Canadian Airmen and Aircraft is available; could someone post the URL's, here?!

Thank you.


Cheers

 

[Chuck_Ellsworth]

Quote:

" Jim believes that the forum is hurting RAF, but more than that it's hurting the sport as a whole.
(He didn't say this but I suspect it is also hurting his own business). "

Then maybe the best solution would be to shut down this forum rather than hurt the sport as a whole.

Chuck E.

 

[Aussie_Paul]

Quote:
Then maybe the best solution would be to shut down this forum rather than hurt the sport as a whole.
Chuck E.

Yeah right Chuck !!!!! Tounge in cheek I know!!!

Aussie Paul.

 

[C. Beaty]

Here in the USA ...Information pertaining to pilots and aircraft is available thru the FAA...as public information, via the internet.

If this similar info on Canadian Airmen and Aircraft is available; could someone post the URL's, here?!

Thank you.


Cheers

If the Canadians name names, Harry, I’ve been unable to locate where.

The best I can do is a list of totals:

https://www.tc.gc.ca/civilaviation/general/personnel/stats/menu.htm

Evidently, there are only a dozen or so licensed gyro pilots in all of Canada.

 

[ben]

chuck now thats an answer!!!!!

 

[Chuck_Ellsworth]

"If the Canadians name names, Harry, I’ve been unable to locate where. "

Save your searching time Chas. B. as they do not name names..ever...

Chas. E.

 

[Harry_S.]

Chuck B.

Now there's a chicken little for ya', huh?!

Thanks for the URL, I'll peruse it anyway.

Addendum...They can eyeball us...but we can't eyeball them?! Let's contact the UN.


Cheers