RAF version of Quebec accident

[Timchick]

I'm glad you cleared that up. I thought it went something along the lines of "Your Mama...."

 

[ben]

Altitude, Power , Trim That's the Way All Things Fly!!!!!!

 

[C. Beaty]

My first insight to Don TheFlower’s character was gained when Norm, the owner of the original Rotorcraft Conference, said that Don offered to lay some money on him if he’d pull posts that didn’t reflect well on the RAF-2000.

Norm was operating a server and offering space for lease as well as other Internet services. Don offered to purchase services if given the opportunity to censor posts on Norm’s Conference. Norm, of course, told Don where he could put his money.

 

[ben]

Chuck ,
Then Norm's Alright In My BoOK !!!!!!!HE STANDS BY WHAT HE BELIEVES!!!!!

 

[ventana7]

Dean,

I appreciate your support of the "gyro community". The voice of the community of course is the PRA of which you are such a big supporter. The PRA should be the ones to take on theses issues but they are incredibly inept.

In 30 years of business I have been involved in dozens of organizations like PRA but never seen one so incompetent. PRA membership has dropped nearly 50% in the last few years yet they do nothing about it. I took the time to send a 4-5 page letter to PRA with supportive suggetions. My letter went to every board member individually yet I did to even get a response. You would think SOMEONE might have sent me even a 1 line email at least thanking me for showing interest but not even that.

In many organizations it is the commercial interests that support the group organization but clearly every gyro manufacturer has washed their hands of PRA for good reason.

AS A LIFE MEMBER AND BOARD MEMBER YOU ARE DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CURRENT STATE OF THE GYRO COMMUNITY.

Rob

 

[Aussie_Paul]

Hi Rob...

Hi Rob...

I took the time to send a 4-5 page letter to PRA with supportive suggetions. My letter went to every board member individually yet I did to even get a response. You would think SOMEONE might have sent me even a 1 line email at least thanking me for showing interest but not even that.

Rob

....I guess that sums it all up. Rob a simple acknowledgement of recieving your letter would have made you feel part of a team.

I dislike people picking on "my" organisation, as I did at the beginning with people picking on "my" company Raf. Eventually you have to seee the light, and change your views when you are supplied with the truth. The truth always hurts, BUT, accepting and learning from the truth is the most important issue.

Aussie Paul.

 

[Schrambow]

kensandyeggo,
you seem to know Jim L. well and have had some bad experiences with him. You said that he used to Post on this site at one time?
I have only met him 3 times when he comes to Oshkosh to demo his machine. I was very impressed with his machine and flew it with him in the machine as well and thought it was a well built and good machine to fly(with the stablizer on, a stable machine too.)
I won't get to talk to Jim L. until August again when he comes to the airshow, but i will ask him why he doesn't visit here and post here once in awhile.
Just being a Newbie on this site for 3 months, i have seem alot of hostility towards RAF & their supporters. It has definitly made me stop and reflect to give the whole process of choosing a 2 seater more time. I am almost thinking about maybe just keeping my one seater, and getting a 2 seat fix wing ultraulight.
Any other information you could share about Jim L. and your past experiences would be appriciated, as i have used him as the expert for the RAF in the past without really knowing him.
I will definitly get a ride in the Sparrow this August to give it a try. However there are three things i would have to overcome though if i like it to purchase.
1.) Take medication (not sure which kind) to overcome the looks of it.
2.) Cut out 3 feet of the only building i have to accept more height(the building may collapse). Major modification here.
3.) Rob a bank without getting caught to pay for the 40 grand machine.
I would though not worry about PIO though, as most have said on this site. But i do have to give the machine a fair chance i realize. If it were just myself i believe it would be a no brainer, but if i am going to be taking people up who are scared of flying to begin with! I have to be honest with them knowing that the machine is a safe one.
Long winded as my post are, again, Ken i won't use any names as sources for anything when i confront people in the RAF Comunity, I will use this site though for the source of information, dealings with Jim L. that you said you have dealt with in the past would be appriacated.
Corey

 

[KenSandyEggo]

Corey, I basically laid it out in this thread. Go back and read my post in this thread. I thought I made it pretty clear about what happened regarding pushing over at the top of a powered climb in a stabless RAF as advocated by Jim and then using lies and plagiarism to justify it. I don't know Jim well and have not had any "bad experiences" with him. I basically loathe his misconstrued advice that could have and may have gotten people killed.

Is there any other CFI in the world that thinks it's O.K. to do a pushover at the top of a powered climb, especially in a high-thrustline gyro with no stab? He advocated this way before the Stabilatror was even thought of.

 

[Dean_Dolph]

……..AS A LIFE MEMBER AND BOARD MEMBER YOU ARE DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CURRENT STATE OF THE GYRO COMMUNITY.

Rob

Well first of all Rob, I’m not a BOD member! I’ll plead guilty to being a life member. But that doesn’t make me ‘,,,,..directly responsible for the current state of the gyro community’.

I do remember your letter and I thought that you had posted it on this Forum but I haven’t been able to find it. If you sent it to me via email because you thought I was a BOD member then it is possible that is where I saw it but I can’t find it. I built a new computer and when I transferred files I ended up losing some.

I can assure you that if I received your letter and was on the BOD that you would have received an acknowledgement. I have made it clear many times that all problems, that I’ve been aware of, have at the core, a communication issue. I don't think it would have made much sense for any individual BOD member to have made a response since it would take a consensus of the BOD before any action could have been taken anyhow. But, yes, I do believe the BOD should have responded to you if only to say thanks for your views but no thanks.

I did run for the BOD and I made it clear that communication was an issue that needed to be improved. See the following post I made.
https://www.rotaryforum.com/forum/showthread.php?p=73777#poststop

I would say that PRA members don’t care about communication and that is why I didn’t get elected. However, I don’t think that is true and there could be a number of reasons I didn’t gather enough support. I wasn’t, and I’m not, politically savvy enough to have asked who else would be running. If I had known then I would have had second thoughts about accepting a nomination. I accepted because I thought may be they were having a problem finding someone to run. That wasn’t the case. I was asked at the ’05 life members meeting if I would accept a nomination for ’06. I said I would but that doesn’t mean I will be nominated.

The reason(s) for the decline in PRA membership over that past several years is pure speculation. It has been discussed here several times and while a case could be made that there is a consensus, I still say it is speculation. And I’ve also said I’ve seen the membership go up/down many times during my membership. Has it stopped declining and is it ready for an up swing? Who knows but review the following post by Tom Milton.

https://www.rotaryforum.com/forum/showthread.php?p=73330#poststop

 

[ben]

ken you got that power push over thing all wrong !!!!!! best get it right we were talking of leveling out after take off and you get to Altitude 1) you push stick foward to level out at your altitude. 2) you pull power to cruse.3) then trim .

ps: Altitude, Power , Trim That's the Way All Things Fly!!!!!!

ppss= ken got a question for ya?? if want to go to 1000ft Altitude when do ya start to pull power to level off if a pull it at 925, 950, 975 then you never get to 1000 ft

 

[ventana7]

Dean,

I apologize if I unfairly lumped you in with the BOD of PRA

Rob

 

[ventana7]

Ben,
You should review some fixed wing books.
Of course we know you can level the aircraft with stick or throttle and you can also change speed with stick or throttle. BUT
Most CFI's teach power is altitude and pitch is airspeed. You level off by reducing power from climb power to cruise power.
You trim for airspeed.
If you are trimmed for 100 knots and add power you will climb if you reduce power you will descend -- all at your trimmed airspeed.

Rob

 

[Greg Mitchell]

Ben,
Down Under we are taught the same thing as what Rob is indicating. POWER BEFORE ATTITUDE.
Shave the power back and then make fine stick adjustment for pitch attitude/airspeed.
I was going to do my cross country ticket in a Raf 200 with stab (training machine) but I will wait and do it in a upgraded Raf/Sparrowhawk converted craft or a tandem. Just my personal preference. I've already used up half of my nine lives.

Cheers.
Mitch

 

[Aussie_Paul]

Hi Rob, I was taught....

Hi Rob, I was taught....

..,..fixed wing in the mid 60's and the PAT (Power Attitude Trim) was used for entering climbing and descending. For levelling off it was APT )Attitude Power Trim). This was to allow the airspeed to build up to cruise quicker. For proceeding to s/l after a glide it was ATP again, so as not to end up with excess airspeed.

In gyros I always taught PAT, until I started to have truly stable gyroplane trainers. There is no problem at all in a truly stable gyroplane with lowering the nose to gain airspeed and then reducing power. IT CAN BE A REAL PROBLEM THOUGH WITH AN UNSTABLE GYRO!!!!!!!!!!

I don't see why I should have to teach as though all gyros are unstable!!!! I know the difference, and make sure my students do as well. That is my job.

I will not train people into unstable machines, and go to a lot of trouble to point out the difference. I trained a student 18 months ago helping to convert his single seat 503 powered gyro into a stable machine. He flew a lot during the next 12 months. He has since bought a HTLM and rang me the other day to tell me that he does not like the unstable feeling and is converting it to a stable design. I have done my job.

The fact that the gyroplane industry allows unstable gyros to be built, sold, registered, and flown is a disgrace to aviation.

I will go and don my fireproof suit while I work on Firebird !!!!!!

 

[Aussie_Paul]

Hey Mitch.....

Hey Mitch.....

Ben,
Down Under we are taught the same thing as what Rob is indicating. POWER BEFORE ATTITUDE.
Shave the power back and then make fine stick adjustment for pitch attitude/airspeed.
I was going to do my cross country ticket in a Raf 200 with stab (training machine) but I will wait and do it in a upgraded Raf/Sparrowhawk converted craft or a tandem. Just my personal preference. I've already used up half of my nine lives.

Cheers.
Mitch

.....come and do it in a Firebird next year.

Aussie Paul.

 

[KenSandyEggo]

Ben, pull whatever you want whenever you want.

Who was talking of leveling out? What does your quiz of Mental Mas*****tion have to do with the lies that were perpetrated? Did you ever read the plagiarism and scrambled text that was posted as the truth? Ben, there was a clear attempt to deceive everyone. Get your story straight, you old Walden Walrus. The post was an attempt to "prove" that it was O.K. to push over at the top of a powered climb in an unstabbed RAF. Maybe Al Hammer has it in his historic archives. Probably not, as I believe it was on Norm's Forum.

 

[Al_Hammer]

Maybe Al Hammer has it in his historic archives. Probably not, as I believe it was on Norm's Forum.

Nope, I didn't save those particular posts from Norm's Forum, Ken.

 

[ben]

ken,
you give jim to much cedit when it comes to computers he's as dumb as a stump when it comes to computers , he couldnt have done it, he wouldn't have known how to scramble text.

ken i see ya moved to N.C. hope to see ya at roc 2006

 

[Timchick]

Ben,
You coming to Bensen Days 06?

 

[KenSandyEggo]

Sorry, Ben, but he did a very skillful job of cutting and pasting parts of the heli section into the gyro section and then posting this very verbose statement to attempt to prove his point logically. It all sounded kind of familiar, so I started looking at the manual, and sure enough, I could pick out everything he said from both sections of the manual. He attempted to move a word or 2 here and there, but it was all there. That's called plagiarism, because he tried to pass it off as his own thoughts. Shuffling sentences from one part of the book to another to attempt to prove that a deathly maneuver is O.K. to perform is called lying.

I didn't know New York is near North Carolina. Probably see you there if I'm not broke before then.