RAF 2000 for sale

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Once again I believe someone has already told you this. When you register a machine as EAB you determine what the weight limits are. You are the manufacturer therefore the FAA inspector or the DAR have to take your word for it. Never register the machine by brand name and model name or number. An example would be my machine was listed as manufacturer: My name. Model: MB 001. Also never call it a kit. That throws it into a very complicated vicious circle similar to what you’re dealing with your physical. Also remember less is more. Don’t volunteer too much info. Answer questions asked if you. Most DAR’s are ignorant of Gyros and will most likely concentrate on things like the amount of threads outside a locknut or where safety wire is placed. They also will enjoy asking you questions to learn. These are things learned over many years and machines my father and I had inspected.
Well, in this case I'm looking at a machine that's already been built and I want to be sure it will actually work for its intended purpose (putting myself and Dustin in the air so I can learn to fly).
 

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Well, in this case I'm looking at a machine that's already been built and I want to be sure it will actually work for its intended purpose (putting myself and Dustin in the air so I can learn to fly).
Well there is a way to register it as your own. You buy it as parts. You take it part make some improvements and take pictures as you reassemble and rebuild it. Then you become the manufacturer.
 

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Well there is a way to register it as your own. You buy it as parts. You take it part make some improvements and take pictures as you reassemble and rebuild it. Then you become the manufacturer.
Unfortunately, reassembly (even with changes) is of doubtful effectiveness, legally speaking. If you strip down and completely restore, for example, a P-51 Mustang (an experimental aircraft when in civilian hands), and add a jump seat behind the pilot, the manufacturer is still North American, not you.

Gyros differ only in that you might be less likely to get caught than with a more attention-getting aircraft.
 
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Unfortunately, reassembly (even with changes) is of doubtful effectiveness, legally speaking. If you strip down and completely restore, for example, a P-51 Mustang (an experimental aircraft when in civilian hands), and add a jump seat behind the pilot, the manufacturer is still North American, not you.

Gyros differ only in that you might be less likely to get caught than with a more attention-getting aircraft.
Once again it’s something that can be done. The key is altering it enough to satisfy the DAR you get to do the inspection. It’s also a good idea to not mention the machine was ever put together before. If you take it down to nothing but bolts and tubing to include stripping the paint off of it what’s the difference between that and using new metal. Let’s just put it this way. When you break the speed limit (which we have done and probably do often) you’re breaking the law.
 

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Well, in my view, it's never a good idea to attempt to trick the FAA. Your mileage may vary.
 

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Question difference between RAF 2000 and sparrowhawk sph3
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A SparrowHawk was basically a redesign by American Autogyro of an RAF with a low thrust line in relation to the center of gravity, suspension on the mains, aluminum rotor blades instead of fiberglass, a wider cabin and many other modification of the RAF design.

Not everybody prefers the SparrowHawk.

I find it much easier to train someone in a SparrowHawk compared to an RAF.
 

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A SparrowHawk was basically a redesign by American Autogyro of an RAF with a low thrust line in relation to the center of gravity, suspension on the mains, aluminum rotor blades instead of fiberglass, a wider cabin and many other modification of the RAF design.

Not everybody prefers the SparrowHawk.

I find it much easier to train someone in a SparrowHawk compared to an RAF.
I like the SparrowHawk... at this point I'm just trying to find SOMETHING that I can afford and that can carry a couple of 110-120 kg guys. (I'm at 108kg right now and still losing - down from 120kg in mid May).
 

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I like the SparrowHawk... at this point I'm just trying to find SOMETHING that I can afford and that can carry a couple of 110-120 kg guys. (I'm at 108kg right now and still losing - down from 120kg in mid May).
So are you American or European? kg’s? we speak lbs here sir. You’re in Texas one of the most Merica’ states ever. I keep hearing someone saying Boy don’t bring them Kilos here unless your talkin bout coke or weed.
 

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So are you American or European? kg’s? we speak lbs here sir.
Sorry - I'm American, but I've been reading too may European Gyro-manufacturer web sites so I've been doing the conversions.
I'm at 241lbs down from 265 lbs in mid-May. :)

Or for the Brits, I'm at 17 stone 3, down from 18 stone 13, for a loss of a little under two stone.
 

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Sorry - I'm American, but I've been reading too may European Gyro-manufacturer web sites so I've been doing the conversions.
I'm at 241lbs down from 265 lbs in mid-May. :)
Just yanking your chain. I congratulate you. I am about to begin a new(old) way of eating called carnivore. It’s supposed to be the ticket for finally getting back to a good weight and health. Look up Dr. Ken Barry on you tube.
 
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Just yanking your chain. I congratulate you. I am about to begin a new(old) way of eating called carnivore. It’s supposed to be the ticket for finally getting back to hood weight and health. Look up Dr. Ken Barry on you tube.
I've been pretty close to that, limiting carbs and just watching what I eat in general (and not just watching it move from chopsticks or fork to mouth). I put on a good bit of weight after an accident that left me wheelchair bound for 3.5 years, then lost much of it, but another injury put me back in a chair for about a year or so and I gained again. I just need to keep active, which will be easier once the semester starts and I start teaching martial arts classes on campus again. :)
 

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The main thing I want to see from the POH is the weight information - empty weight, fuel capacity, fuel burn rate, and max takeoff weight. I have an instructor locally who owned an RAF 2000 and flew it and what looks like a dominator (a single seat "open floor plan" gyro), so he's experienced with the RAF 2000. I just want to be able to confirm that it will be able to carry both of us as we're not small guys.

The information I'm seeing online about the RAF 2000 GTX SE hints that with full fuel it can still carry up to 612 lbs, which would be more than enough unless he's over 360 lbs, which he isn't.

I don't want to buy a gyro (I'm still waiting on my medical, but he works for an AME and is going to bug the FAA for me) if my instructor and I can't fly together in it with a full tank.
It can carry 729lbs 331 KG Fuel consumtion is based on 80% throttle 4.8 gallons an hour..
 

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Once again I believe someone has already told you this. When you register a machine as EAB you determine what the weight limits are. You are the manufacturer therefore the FAA inspector or the DAR have to take your word for it. Never register the machine by brand name and model name or number. An example would be my machine was listed as manufacturer: My name. Model: MB 001. Also never call it a kit. That throws it into a very complicated vicious circle similar to what you’re dealing with your physical. Also remember less is more. Don’t volunteer too much info. Answer questions asked if you. Most DAR’s are ignorant of Gyros and will most likely concentrate on things like the amount of threads outside a locknut or where safety wire is placed. They also will enjoy asking you questions to learn. These are things learned over many years and machines my father and I had inspected.
Please forgive my ignorance of aircraft jargon, what is a EAB?
 

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You've mentioned the N number issue but you haven't said a word about an actual airworthiness certificate which is connected to the N number. Or did I miss something?
 

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You've mentioned the N number issue but you haven't said a word about an actual airworthiness certificate which is connected to the N number. Or did I miss something?
Im sorry, I did not see the question about that. It was Deairworthied because it was not inspected annually because it was in a barn for many years and the owner flew it around his property. I am working on getting it airworthy certified. The Faa is back logged so it is taking time to get information from them. I am new to all this and do not know short cuts and so on.
 

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I'm 6' 2" , built and flew a RAF2000. No issue with head room. It was the newer cabin like in the photo. First model was different.
 
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