A meeting place for rotorheads
A meeting place for rotorheads
Doug said:
"I posted the results of the tests here in a summary form, right after we did them. That was in April, 2007. The bottom line is that, in the vicinity of the tail surfaces, the propwash is a cylinder that's 1/2 - 2/3 of the diameter of the prop itself.
At WOT, the speed of the wash in its fastest zones is a little higher than the gyro's own maximum airspeed.
Important conclusion: a HS on the keel provides zero stabilization at low airspeeds. Something like a T-tail or tall tail would appear to be best."
Thanks Doug, always the gentleman. I'll locate the article and follow the discussions that may evolve. I do recollect the info from last year. A forum search will get that for me. Again thankyou Doug for helping to educate me in my journey with gyros.
Dean, you want to give me an english lesson now. Thanks! Abrupt, harsh, blunt or plain old crutchety! :lol:
Yes I am a fully paid member and pilot with the ASRA. Yes I get a 4 magazines a year.
No, people who come to this forum do not have an obligation to the PRA. I do not believe this is a PRA forum.
You say
......."But it is obvious that the ASRA isn't giving you everything you need so it needs to be supplanted by the PRA members who create articles and participate here. The ASRA has some knowledgeable people like Tim McClure and I appreciate his participating here and on the U.S. ASTM gyro standards committee. But you know what, I haven’t had to go to the ASRA site to get my questions answered." Ohhh! All the knowledge is here Eh! :usa2:
A little or largely concieted wouldn't you agree. Of course you wouldn't. I get accussed of having no knowledge or being unqualified to even speak about gyros on this forum yet I am a gyro pilot. I sense a similar attitude from you.
Bit like being told Queensland is like Texas not the other way around eh!
I'm not convinced the woes of the PRA have passed but I'll take your word as the definitive response on that one.
"Mitch, with all due respect I don't care how much respect I get! I'm too old to worry about such trivialities.
ME TOO.
And when you say ‘freely’ does that mean non-PRA members get their info free as in freeload?!!
IF THAT'S HOW YOU WANT TO LOOK AT IT. ANYONE WHO GOES TO ANY FORUM AND GET INFO FOR FREE, YOU WANNA GO AHEAD AND CALL THEN FREELOADERS?:drama:
I'm getting into a confrontation with you that I didn't intend when I responded to your initial post. This is what has become increasingly common to call unintended consequences. What that means is, whoops, I didn’t see that coming!
LIKE COLLATERAL DAMAGE EH! :twitch:
My comments weren’t directed at you as such since you are on the fringe of what I was talking about.
THATS ME A NON DESCRIPT FRINGE DWELLER.:ainkiller:
But your post did give me an opportunity to point out that PRA members, which are the PRA, are providing a lot of valuable info here that non-PRA Forum members, and lurkers, get without supporting the organization."
HAPPENS WITH MOST FORUMS AROUND THE W.W.W. DEAN.
"Dean ... you are not the only one who feels this way. Cirrus owners have an owners group that charge a yearly membership fee to get on their forum. If you don't pay, your user name and password doesn't work. So you can't take part, use the wikipedia, download support documents or use any other tools.
If that was done here, you'd see just how important this forum is to people (or is not).
I am not a member of the PRA -- mainly because the most valuable part of it (this forum) is provided free."
If you blokes wanna charge for your forum go ahead lets see how many use it then. I would suggest Cirrus owners can afford such extravagancies.
I like you Dean dont mind paying for what I need but if I need to, I'll ask Tim Mc or Birdy or Rob P (who manufactures props and blades and has this topical knowledge, just looking to compare notes and add something positive if possible.) or a host of others in OZ with the knowledge who unlike yourself dont have a 'Join up, pay now, get your info in the magazine maybe, if youre lucky' attitude.
"I wasn't aware of any benefits to joining? For those of us relatively new here, is there a place I can read about the benefits? I don't recall membership being advertised or promoted anywhere. Except for your emotional appeal in this thread.
I was at Bensen Days and did not see even a glimmer of promotion. No place to even sign up! Wouldn't that have been a nice place to have a booth to promote PRA? One central theme I have noticed in the gyro world is that it seriously lacks promotion.
There is not a welcoming spirit. Newbies are practically scared off by overly-critical commentary and red-neck drawling posts about "The ground cummin up to killya".
Product displays are dismal at the air shows and trying to get information about products from so-called sales reps is often met with grunts and groans.
I know from experience that gyro people are really nice ... but I had to almost force myself to stay with it.
You all say you'd like the sport to grow ... but from a newbie's perspective, that is not always the impression we get.
When I signed up for this forum, I should've gotten a welcome email (automatically generated) inviting me to sign up with the PRA. It should've outlined the benefits and due structure.
This forum captures many email addresses, why not market to them? And it has many "lurkers" (eyeballs), why not advertise to them?
Just a thought from someone who makes their living from people who do advertising and promotion. "
I'd agree with everything you said Tom. This is not an unfamiliar entry into the world of gyros. It happens in Oz to.
Suffice to say I visit more than three rotorcraft forums and all are free, with experts commenting freely without any other agendas. I've been to Mentone and paid my dues. I actively seek out info. Bought Paul Bergen Abbotts books, read them 10 times then donated them to ASRA library.............
But you are right of course Dean, this discussion gets us no where and so now seeing as you dont care or need respect, I feel you can stick you elitest attitude where the sun dont shine.:rapture: Or perhaps it does.........:tape:
Have a good day.:yo: