Obtaining Sport Pilot Gyro Certificate

[WaspAir]

I’m not sure what “dual” refers to.

Dual instruction is contrasted with solo flight. You plus CFI makes it dual; you alone makes it solo.

No idea. I don’t even know the difference.

Subpart K vs. Subpart H is the difference between an instructor who is entitled to instruct only for Sport Pilot privileges (who may have only Sport privileges him/herself), and a full CFI (with at least a Commercial rating in category and class) who can instruct at any level of certificate.

P.S. If you are getting dual in a 172 (not currently qualifying as Light Sport) it should be from a full CFI wirh Airplane ratings. Those are common. For gyroplanes, full Commercial/CFI ratings are relatively uncommon, with plenty of instructors only able to operate at the Sport level.

 

[bryancobb]

I agree with everything except "heading down the runway at full power"

I don't, I add power once on the mains and apply power as the rrpm builds and fly away.

Thanks for that! As I made clear, I am not a gyro flyer and dang sure not a gyro CFI, but let me ask...Do gyro pilots climb out at partial power? I would think not. Surely you reach full power before rotor RPM has spooled-up to fly-away RPM?

 

[Abid]

Dual instruction is contrasted with solo flight. You plus CFI makes it dual; you alone makes it solo.

Subpart K vs. Subpart H is the difference between an instructor who is entitled to instruct only for Sport Pilot privileges (who may have only Sport privileges him/herself), and a full CFI (with at least a Commercial rating in category and class) who can instruct at any level of certificate.

P.S. If you are getting dual in a 172 (not currently qualifying as Light Sport) it should be from a full CFI wirh Airplane ratings. Those are common. For gyroplanes, full Commercial/CFI ratings are relatively uncommon, with plenty of instructors only able to operate at the Sport level.

All Sport pilot CFI dual training hours and tasks count towards private pilot training and license. Just fyi.

 

[bryancobb]

I’m not sure what “dual” refers to. I’m getting a fw SP Cert. and we’re using their 172 until it’s required for the cert to use their LSA. I still have to lose some more weight before I can use their Sting s4 LSA so for now I’m getting my hours in their 172.

When the new MOSAIC rules enter into effect next year a 172 will meet the new Sport Pilot LSA requirements.

No idea. I don’t even know the difference.

The fact that she's instructing you in a 172 lets me know she's a full-fledge Subpart H CFI that can teach in FAA Certified airplanes like would have been parked on the airport ramp in the 1960's, 70's, and 80's.
Light Sport aircraft wasn't "a thing" until 2005. That's when Subpart K CFI's came along. They can only teach in Light Sport "eligible" aircraft like the Sling.

As you know your Sport License requires a minimum of 20 hours. Ten of them are as "sole occupant" of the aircraft. The other ten are "dual," just an FAA word for your CFI being with you. Another common FAA term used in the FAR's for dual is "flight instruction." I am one of the guys out here that believes a CFI can, under some circumstances, be on the ground giving dual flight instruction to a student in the air, using a radio. This is what I believe the FAA intended when a student has a single seat aircraft and wants his CFI to hold his hand during some of the 10 hours of dual instruction he needs to get his license.

 

[Sv.grainne]

Thanks for that! As I made clear, I am not a gyro flyer and dang sure not a gyro CFI, but let me ask...Do gyro pilots climb out at partial power? I would think not. Surely you reach full power before rotor RPM has spooled-up to fly-away RPM?

I wasn't talking about climb out, I was about powering up during the takeoff roll.

Bobby

 

[Vance]

Thanks for that! As I made clear, I am not a gyro flyer and dang sure not a gyro CFI, but let me ask...Do gyro pilots climb out at partial power? I would think not. Surely you reach full power before rotor RPM has spooled-up to fly-away RPM?

It depends on the circumstances and the aircraft Bryan.

If I have limited distance to clear an obstacle I climb out at full power.

At the Santa Maria public airport near sea level with 8,004 feet of runway I use full power for lift off and may reduce power to climb to my target altitude to save wear and tear on my Lycoming IO-320.

For some gyroplanes with limited power and/or high density altitude; full power may be used for climbing to altitude.

 

[Abid]

The fact that she's instructing you in a 172 lets me know she's a full-fledge Subpart H CFI that can teach in FAA Certified airplanes like would have been parked on the airport ramp in the 1960's, 70's, and 80's.
Light Sport aircraft wasn't "a thing" until 2005. That's when Subpart K CFI's came along. They can only teach in Light Sport "eligible" aircraft like the Sling.

As you know your Sport License requires a minimum of 20 hours. Ten of them are as "sole occupant" of the aircraft. The other ten are "dual," just an FAA word for your CFI being with you. Another common FAA term used in the FAR's for dual is "flight instruction." I am one of the guys out here that believes a CFI can, under some circumstances, be on the ground giving dual flight instruction to a student in the air, using a radio. This is what I believe the FAA intended when a student has a single seat aircraft and wants his CFI to hold his hand during some of the 10 hours of dual instruction he needs to get his license.

5 as solo, 15 as dual for a sport pilot.
BTW your definition of dual in a single seat aircraft is strange and I do not believe it will fly.

 

[GyroChuck]

5 as solo, 15 as dual for a sport pilot.
BTW your definition of dual in a single seat aircraft is strange and I do not believe it will fly.

Originally dual and a flight check/test could be accomplished in a single seat being observed from the ground. I had a Flight Review accomplished this way once.

My memory is not the greatest. But I believe it was sometime in the 90s the Far's. As they we're known at that time. Were changed and ground observation was no longer allowed.

 

[Abid]

Originally dual and a flight check/test could be accomplished in a single seat being observed from the ground. I had a Flight Review accomplished this way once.

My memory is not the greatest. But I believe it was sometime in the 90s the Far's. As they we're known at that time. Were changed and ground observation was no longer allowed.

You can technically still do your checkride in a single seater with examiner watching you from the ground. No one does it.

 

[GyroChuck]

You can technically still do your checkride in a single seater with examiner watching you from the ground. No one does it.

That is only true for a Sport Pilot rating. $61.45 (f)

 

[WaspAir]

And if I recall, the certificate you would get carries a limitation to single seaters / no passengers.

 

[Abid]

And if I recall, the certificate you would get carries a limitation to single seaters / no passengers.

Maybe. I think maybe 3 people have utilized this in 20 years.

 

[smoline]

I just exchanged texts with my nearest gyro CFI. I found one two hours away. He said since I already invested in a quarter of the hours towards my fw SP Cert. and they won’t transfer, to go ahead and complete it, then come to him for the gyro endorsement. He said that process is actually easier to accomplish than the gyro solo flights and finding a certified gyro examiner required to complete a gyro SP Cert.

Brian: I'd like to know who and where that gyro CFI is, please. Can you provide a link to his website or other contact info? Thanks!

 

[Sv.grainne]

You can technically still do your checkride in a single seater with examiner watching you from the ground. No one does it.

I was planning on doing this last year but CFI at Fainting Goat changed my mind.

 

[WaspAir]

Maybe. I think maybe 3 people have utilized this in 20 years.

Here's the confirmation of my recollection, from 61.45(f)(3) for the ground observed single seat practical exam:

(3) Pilot certificate of an applicant successfully passing the test is issued a pilot certificate with a limitation “No passenger carriage and flight in a single-seat light-sport aircraft only.”

The wording is clumsy and redundant but clear enough on the limitation.

 

[BrianInVa]

Brian: I'd like to know who and where that gyro CFI is, please. Can you provide a link to his website or other contact info? Thanks!

Niles Aviation

www.rickniles.com

 

[Abid]

Here's the confirmation of my recollection, from 61.45(f)(3) for the gtound observed single seat practical exam:

(3) Pilot certificate of an applicant successfully passing the test is issued a pilot certificate with a limitation “No passenger carriage and flight in a single-seat light-sport aircraft only.”

The wording is clumsy and redundant but clear enough on the limitation.

Yes sounds limiting and in my opinion not worth the checkride to be done in a single seat.

 

[smoline]

Niles Aviation

www.rickniles.com

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Thanks, Brian. I believe Rick Niles is only available on weekends. Frand Noe no longer provides gyro instruction. Bob Syner is too far away and requires crossing the Chesapeake Bay Bridge to get there.
I am interested in learning your impressions of Rick Niles as you progress through his training.
Thanks!

 

[bryancobb]

5 as solo, 15 as dual for a sport pilot.
BTW your definition of dual in a single seat aircraft is strange and I do not believe it will fly.

Thanks for the correction. I get mixed up easily now days.