Narrowed my options I think but

Ok. After reading the RAF thread I started, and others, as well as watching all of the brand specific videos I could find I started to evaluate what I really wanted to do with the machine, aside from fly. Photography.

I am an avid photographer and have always been fascinated with aerial photographs. This guy does what want to do. For this I think an open cockpit is the best way to go. I originally thought a gyro like the RAF or Sparrow because it was enclosed but open on the sides. After further reflection that set up would not be ideal. Looks like an open machine for me.

Eventually I would like the option of taking a passenger so a two space.

I really like the look of the honeybee G2 but it appears they had issues. Is this true?

Right now my list is narrowed to three but I am open minded
Snobird
Predator
dominator

Is there anything I should be weary of with these?

Time to stop dreaming and start studying.
 

eddie

RAF, turbo subaru 230hp
You can always take the doors off of a enclosed gyro,taking pictures with a camera in

a 60 mph wind and flying at the same time can be an issue.

The predator is a custom built one of a kind gyro,I don't think vance will want to part with it.




Best regards,
 

Joe Pires

star hoarder
Ok. After reading the RAF thread I started, and others, as well as watching all of the brand specific videos I could find I started to evaluate what I really wanted to do with the machine, aside from fly. Photography.

I am an avid photographer and have always been fascinated with aerial photographs. This guy does what want to do. For this I think an open cockpit is the best way to go. I originally thought a gyro like the RAF or Sparrow because it was enclosed but open on the sides. After further reflection that set up would not be ideal. Looks like an open machine for me.

Eventually I would like the option of taking a passenger so a two space.

I really like the look of the honeybee G2 but it appears they had issues. Is this true?

Right now my list is narrowed to three but I am open minded
Snobird
Predator
dominator

Is there anything I should be weary of with these?

Time to stop dreaming and start studying.
The Predator is a one of a kind gyro, and not for sale to my knowledge, so that is one down. The Snobird is not currently being manufactured, so there will be no more of them than there are right now limiting availability. That leaves the Dominator, plenty of them flying, still being made, other than some folks thinking their alien beauty to be unappealing, not much bad is ever said about them.
 
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Vance

Gyroplane CFI
Some thoughts on choice.

Some thoughts on choice.

As Eddie mentioned Mark; The Predator is a one of a kind gyroplane and at this time I have no plans to sell her.

I have flown a Snow bird with a Honda engine and it flew well. The one I flew was short of rudder authority and a little short on climb performance two up. It seemed to have a limited speed envelope but I only have about three hours in her so I can’t say for certain.

I have flown several tandem Dominators and I found them a delight. I took a flight review in one with very little experience and she seemed to do whatever I asked of her. The flight instructor asked me to do things that are not part of a typical flight for me and the aircraft responded well to my efforts. In other words it is a very forgiving aircraft and a good choice for a first gyroplane. A Dominator is so easy to fly that overconfidence can lead to troubles. Despite how easy a Dominator is to fly; good training is still very important. If you don’t train in a Dominator transition training is very important.

I feel it is best to build your experience before taking a passenger. A Dominator seems to hold its value well so starting with a single seater and later selling it and buying a two place is practical.

Depending on your budget I wouldn’t rule out one of the European style tandem gyroplanes. I have had fun flying a few Magni M-16s and several MTO Sports by AutoGyro. They seem to hold up well. I have not flown the other European style open tandems but I have heard good things.

Good luck on your gyroplane adventure Mark!
 
You can always take the doors off of a enclosed gyro,taking pictures with a camera in

a 60 mph wind and flying at the same time can be an issue.

The predator is a custom built one of a kind gyro,I don't think vance will want to part with it.




Best regards,
That explains why I can't find info on the preditor outside Vance's posts :D

Do you mean 60mph wind as well as that caused by the forward movement of the aircraft on the pilot? If you mean in addition to the forward movement I'm getting my butt on the ground. Not taking pics. Yes taking the doors off is an option but I am thinking I want as little obstruction as I can get.

Granted this is a fixed wing but it can be done
 

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Mike, that is sooooooo tempting but several things have to be in place before I purchase. The most important being ground school.
 
Vance, I have thoroughly enjoyed reading your stories about your flights and, unless you are a very knowledgeable fiction writer, you appear to be a very careful pilot.

I considered a 2 place to begin with because of the loss in value. Not sure if the opportunity to buy again will come up.
 

j bird

Gold Supporter
I just want to pipe in here and say, Ernie, Dominator's designer and company owner does not recommend the tandem till you have a couple hundred hours flying. Ernie will not sell you a tandem Dom. till you have the hours. Of course you can purchase a used tandem Dom. from a private Party with out any hours at all.
 

GyrOZprey

Aussie in Kansas.
Good machine - great value!

Good machine - great value!

Mike, that is sooooooo tempting but several things have to be in place before I purchase. The most important being ground school.
If you bought Britta's machine ... you get a start on your training with atop CFI - included .... ground school can be worked in with your flight training ... no need to do first ... it makes more sense alongside the practical! To prep for the FAA test ...a course like Gleim (& others) is excellent ...also the annual PRA internet gyro sport pilot ground-school ... run by Tim OConnor in Jan-Feb each year! is wonderful ... ( I did both ways & would do again!)

If you have a 2 place ... you can trailer it to the instructor! (CFI's charge about $50/hr in your own ...200+ in theirs ... with your own gyro ... big savings on instruction!)

I like a camera with a solid mount on the gyro with a wifi remote for activating vid / snaps! It will take a lot of flying experience to hand snap pics like Vance ... does!

Good luck ... plenty of nice used gyros for sale at present. single Dom in Utah ... & several nice MTO's in Texas! Britta's A-C is a good entry price!
 

SandL

Newbie
Dom ,
safety,
stability
CLT.
forgivving
open cockpit
infinate camera platform
half the price of a Euro gyro


the only neg i have ever heard is the duck walk

no decision in my book
 

scottessex

Sling-Wing Pilot
Plus the dominator is still being built and supported. Big plus unless you like to make all of your own parts.....there was a very nice air command single for sale here not long ago.
 

GyroRon

Former Gyro know it all
Don't forget there are other options out there as well....

http://www.barnstormers.com/cat.php?mode=listing&main=

Check out the " ultralight " section. Many good affordable choices that would be far easier to purchase and get training in than a gyro.

Quicksilver

Challenger

Titan

Phantom

Kitfox

Rans

X air

Flightstar

Drifter

There are many good choices in single and two seat light planes.
 
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Steve_UK

Active Member
""I am having a hard time finding a review of the 1 and 2 place genesis models. Same with the Skycruiser ""


Ask yourself why this might be.
 
GyroRon. Yes those are an option but not for me. Maybe I should explain my mindset and why I am specifically looking for a gyro with an experimental rating.

I gave ultralights a lot of thought, and when I was young I was obsessed. It was a good thing we were pretty poor. Then I got older, and realized I was not ten feet tall, bullet proof, and a total chick magnet. I look back at my younger years and realize I should have spent years in jail, or died from bad decisions.

Go forward several years and I still considered an ultralight but watched one lose engine power glide down and "land". Quickly turning into a pile of twisted metal and pilot. Pilot survived with a few broken bones and stained undies. Then I saw a gyro, on youtube, lose it's power and easily land with very little difference than if it landed under power. In fact, to my untrained eye, it looked smoother.

I realize there is nothing in existence that is a completely safe aircraft. Nothing in life is completely safe, but we can take precautions to survive it. Gyros are the the precaution I have chosen, in my decision to fly.

As for the ultralight gyros, and folks may take issue with this and thats fine, I see strength being sacrificed for weight. I took over my father-in-laws boat repair and storage business after he died. I have learned a lot from the boats I worked on. the sturdier boats survived better. Maybe this is a belief based in ignorance when it comes to gyros but I want something of substance under me when I come down hard. Just as no boat owner plans to plow into a submerged rock or get driven into the wake of a much larger boat by a moron on a PWC it happens, no pilot plans to come down hard. I would rather expect and prepare for the "Ah hell" moments.

If it means I need to jump through some hoops get a license, and take classes that's fine. At least I will feel better that a heavier sturdier machine is under me. In the end it is me up there so....

Obviously, since I am new, If my perception is wrong please explain.
 

Aviomania

Gold Supporter
I am having a hard time finding a review of the 1 and 2 place genesis models. Same with the Skycruiser
here are some reviews on the single seat:

from a pilot in Greece and currently in the US.
http://www.rotaryforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=26966

http://www.rotaryforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28363

German pilots report aka Kai_Bode here in the forum:
http://www.rotaryforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=31131

Russian pilot's report: (there is a more detailed one in russian)

http://www.rotaryforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24328



latest deluxe model of the open frame.
http://www.rotaryforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44655

more pictures of the enclosed and delux single seat gyros:
https://www.facebook.com/aviomania.aircraft/media_set?set=a.10150536757308836.393678.678873835&type=3

and here some videos for the performance, stability and manoeuvrability of the Genesis.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McVxsUrPUI4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Whcz1_H2L0Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugwozFejPWY


for the 2 seat we do not have any published reports. but it flies as good as the single seat. here are some videos with the half cabin on.:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gek3ntpKbSQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PU8tgaMcQS0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0SO_6eftzU&spfreload=10

for more info email us.
 
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