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martin-av8r

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this is a stock 2010 dyno chart 112.2 hp at 6500 rpm 101.3 at 6000 and 159.4 at 8000rpm with best bfsc of .42 rotax 582 bsfc .65 and 914 i beleive its .46
 

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I am very happy with my Old (1990) arctic cat 530 carbed model with "rotax A gearbox"

Pwongkit here on the forum has a fuel injected 600 arctic cat on a KB2.

That 800 on the mosquito sure looks sweet!
 

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Do you know the weights? I would be interested to know.
 

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dont know the exact weight scott but read some where a guy weight the 800 long block for 74 pounds or average 9 pounds more than a 582 for 95 more hp stock, if i get the arctic cat thread that i lost track, i will post it, i beleive its the arctic-cat enginer that build the 2014 600 ctec that talk about the weight of the laydown architecture engine.--------some reading--------Engine – Rumors were flying when Arctic Cat introduced the C-TEC 600 Clean Technology 2 stroke and separated from Suzuki that the C-TEC 800 was next. The 6000 series has turned out good. Arctic Cat successful executed a reliable, well performing 600. But, the Suzuki 800 is so good, it could have easily gone backwards. Instead, Arctic Cat leaders reined Suzuki back in and penned an agreement to continue the manufacturing relationship for at least a few more years. For now, the Suzuki 800 NOT changing is great news for 2015.
 

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i found the thread with the engine weight scott and its a very good reading about the new 600 c-tec dual stage injection system and 2 stroke tech,--------------------------------EIDE: Joey, that sled you raced a couple of years ago [in vintage classes], your 440 liquid… That 440 was first put in production in ’78. As a 440 ZR 6000, the motor was 72 pounds, and 68 horsepower. Now we’re 67 pounds and over 120 horsepower. So basically the horsepower to weight ratio has almost doubled in those years.

SPAULDING: Yeah, and then when you think far back. There was that 760 JLO twin – almost 800cc. And what did that thing make 35, maybe 40 horse? And that thing was frigging huge. And now our current 800 weighs 73 pounds? I could almost guarantee that old 760 weighed double that. The new motor makes better than 150 horse.

EIDE: That’s why two-strokes are still the engine of choice for snowmobiles. http://www.snowgoer.com/sleds/arcti...on-arctic-cats-2014-engine-full-article/0810/
 

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At that weight, with a gear reduction and cooling system you could have real honest 1lb per HP engine pkg....My Honda Cam100 is 115hp @230lbs! Don't know what subarus weigh, but if you could take 100lbs off the engine weight alone at that kind of power that would be huge!
 

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yes for the 1lb per hp complete setup scott and i think even derated, because the 800 160hp at 73lb with gear reduction and cooling system will be under 160lb but its 2stroke weight, your cam 100 at 115hp @230 is very good old 4stroke tech i think it will be similar to the sub4 but a bit better,i think sub4 is around 96 kilo 211,2lbs dont know if its with full accessory, we have many possibility with engine choice and modification,with today technology even more,but if we look in the past 1938 Rolls-Royce Griffon and merlin 4stroke supercharge 4valves per cylinder liquid cool 1.03 hp-lbs,but i think its possible today,to combine new tech with old tech to make good 4stroke turbo with 1hp lbs or very near this with good engine durability for flying
 

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Visited a friend of mine last week that has a Artic Cat with a 2 cyl. 4 stroke 177 HP. Engine he said is a Suzuki, some engine with that much HP. Don't know weight and like the new cars now you couldn't hardly see the engine. It was a 2013 model. Any one know about this engine?
 

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PS. This engine was turbo charged, again couldn't see it but thats what he told me.
 
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