groundhog
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Franks Vance is usually at mentone . Consider going someday.
Franks Vance is usually at Mentone . Consider going someday.
Who would have thought I would have so much doing so little in The Predator.
Despite our divergent opinions and my pedantic nature John Rountree has recommended some wonderful clients to me.
Dave is one of those. On our initial contact I found out he was uncommonly smart, had ridden over 240,000 on two wheels in the LA area and had some amazing experiences in his life flying higher in the back seat than I will ever be (65,000 feet). He had only touched one gyroplane and had never flown in one. He has no real piloting experience of any kind although he has spent a lot of time flying for work and occasionally gets to exercise the controls.
He was asking for a proper introduction to gyroplanes and I recommended two and a half hours of ground and an hour and a half of flight time. I warned him about the possibility of the weather making things not work out as planned. He agreed to this and my fee.
He rode his Silver Wing up from Long Beach (about three hours each way) and as I suspected he found the correct gate and was ten minutes early still very cold from the fog over 154. At 10:20 the beacon at SMX was still rotating indicating instrument flight conditions.
The preflight went well with Dave noticing enough detail to give me confidence he would do a careful preflight on his own aircraft.
We covered airport procedures, signs and markings. We walked out to the taxi way as part of this and could see there was a wall of fog to the west over my practice area.
It was clearly time for plan B that would not fit into our allotted time schedule. Plan B was to fly to San Luis Obispo over the Huasna Valley and I figured we would not be back before 4:30 and done with the briefing till after 5:00 giving Dave a cold ride home arriving after sunset.
Dave told me to take all the time necessary so I ran with it.
We spent some time with the chart talking about all the information displayed there and our route of flight to miss the fog.
I put the call to Leidos (formerly Lockheed Martin) on speaker phone and we learned a lot about the weather and the flight from SMX to SBP. The winds were expected to shift 180 degrees during our flight but were not expected to exceed 17kts. This suggested turbulence in the Huasna Valley and I told Dave I might need to take the controls and would expect to take the controls in the bowl over Lake Lopez. We went into exchange of controls at some length.
The wind socks were all blowing in different directions and at different velocities but no worse than usual.
The magneto check went well and I worked my way down the pre-flight list.
I asked for a right cross wind departure to the North East and we received immediate clearance.
Dave later remarked that the takeoff was nicer than he expected and was surprised at the way we floated into the air. He could feel all the elements of the takeoff I had described.
At 400 feet I gave Dave the rudder pedals and he exercised them nicely. At 700 feet (500 feet AGL) I gave him all the controls and told him to turn right and continue to climb to 1,300 feet over the city of Santa Maria. His turn was a little tentative as could be expected and his air speed control was better than expected.
We caught some pretty good winds over the city and our flight path was slightly erratic as Dave learned about how the winds affected The Predator and how to respond. My directions for pilotage were probably a little abstruse.
I pointed out that we were slightly over practical test standards for altitude and he pulled the power and lowered the nose. I was getting a little nervous as I saw 75kts indicated airspeed but Dave responded to my verbal instructions and I never had to touch the cyclic. We were aiming for 60kts.
After we crossed the river (dry) and were outside SMX class Delta airspace I took the aircraft controls briefly to demonstrate recognition and recover from slow air speed and a high rate of descent and steep turns. I gave Dave back the aircraft controls instructing him to climb to 2,300 feet over the ridge. I could see Dave getting a feel for the up and down drafts.
His flight was so steady for altitude and airspeed he seldom exceeded the practical test standards and was usually closer to plus or minus five knots and plus or minus 50 feet.
Dave did some ground reference maneuvers and then I told him to just wander around for a bit to explore how it felt. After brief tentative lefts and rights he explored steep turns.
There was enough turbulence at the end of the valley and Dave handled it so well that I decided to have him fly all the way to base.
I checked the SBP ATIS and called the tower. She said to make left traffic for runway 11 and report abeam. The hills do not allow a forty five degree entry and that makes keeping clear of the center line more challenging. Dave did well with my “aim slightly to the left of the cone thing (one of the sisters).”
I took the controls to turn base and did no better with the turbulence than Dave. The wind was blowing nearly directly across the runway from our right and occasionally gusting from behind us lifting her tail.
Dave took a video with his cell phone and it was easy to see how much we were being tossed around.
I was considering going around and then like magic we found a somewhat calm spot and I put her down at the taxi way and scooted off the runway.
They are still training the new guy and I was to contact ground.
He was right in the middle of a clearance and told the pilot to hold on the read back.
I asked him for taxi to restaurant parking and he incorrectly told us to taxi to parking via Alpha.
As soon as we sat down on the patio a nice man from Palm Desert asked us a length about The Predator. He was not a pilot but lives near an airport. He had never seen a gyroplane in person and had lots of questions. I had to ask him to allow us to get to the debrief.
We had a nice debrief over lunch and then I explained the fueling procedures. With the windshield in place I can’t get out so Dave would be doing the fueling.
Like everything else he managed the somewhat confusing self-serve pump well.
We took off on runway one one with a pretty good gusting cross wind and I gave Dave the controls at 600 feet. I could feel a more relaxed attitude as the turbulence bounced us around.
Pictures one and three are on the flight up and you can see Dave’s intensity. Picture six is climbing out from SBP and it is easy to see he is more relaxed and having more fun.
We flew along the hills at 1,700 feet looking for the gap to Lake Lopez. Dave handled the turbulence well and I could feel him improving with each challenge.
We did some ground reference maneuvers over the Huasna valley and if it had been his practical test he would have passed easily despite the difficult conditions.
I had him thread his way through the canyon from the Huasna valley to the Twitchell reservoir.
I had trouble receiving the Santa Maria ATIS so I told Dave to just wander around the reservoir while I made the radio calls. I could feel a new freedom and boldness as we cavorted around.
Wind at SMX was 290 degrees at 16kts.
I called the tower 10 miles to the north east over Twitchell reservoir at 1,700 feet inbound with Romeo.
“Experimental 142 Mike Golf, make a base entry for runway 30; runway 30 clear to land.”
I repeated the clearance. Given the winds we were still 15 minutes from touchdown. I suspect it was ATC humor.
On short base I confirmed our clearance and asked for closed traffic. Left closed traffic was approved.
I took the controls after Dave had turned final and demonstrated a vertical descent from 1,000 feet AGL to a dead stick landing. It went well and I figured I might have Dave do some takeoffs and landings despite too much wind. The takeoff did not go well with full left rudder needed to maintain the centerline although the lift off was nice.
I felt Dave was unlikely to learn much other than why there would be wind limits imposed on his solo sign off so I demonstrated two more landings and called it a day letting Dave handle the somewhat challenging spool down as we taxied back to the hangar.
There were lots of learning opportunities and based on our debrief Dave grasped them all.
We also spent some time strategizing on how to accomplish his gyroplane goals.
After we shook hands and waved goodbye I reviewed the flight in my mind and marveled at how much fun I had doing almost nothing.
Dave had been the sole manipulator of the controls for all but the takeoffs, landings and one demonstration for 1.9 hours of flight in The Predator under difficult conditions.
I talked to Ed about how much joy I had found doing so little and she felt I needed to share the fun with our friends on the Rotary Wing Forum.
I called Dave and it was ok with him. He has read the forum as a guest but never posted.
I am hoping this will motivate him to join and share the fun of his gyroplane adventure. He has already joined the PRA.
Ed liked the picture of the stern taskmaster gyroplane CFI at SBP that Dave took.
The last three pictures are of Dave in his flight suit, the aircraft (WB57-F) he was flying back seat of and the view. He flew over 50 missions and reached 65,000 feet. I feel there were not a lot of skills that transfer to flying The Predator.
Hi BuddyWho would have thought I would have so much doing so little in The Predator.
Despite our divergent opinions and my pedantic nature John Rountree has recommended some wonderful clients to me.
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Hi Buddy
I ran a flight school for over 10 years during that time I hired and fired 100's of instructors.
You use the same teaching methodology of ground school prior to the maneuvers being flown and the after flying debriefing.
We found that this really reduces the # of hours required to get your ticket.
And you also gave me an 'E' ticket ride at El Mirage and know you are a GREAT pilot!
So I do not hesitate to recommend you and I still consider us friends despite your picking on my posts if they have anything to do with passing on what the pro's have taught me on this forum. Often it's the pro's quote that I'm repeating and you did not pick on them.
Also living in California and being an independent with conservative economic beliefs I learned long ago that if I wish to keep all my liberal friends it fine if they have different opinions. It is only an opinion worth exactly what we are paying for it = nothing!
I hope once I have more time in type you will lighten up but I will still love you no matter what!
Hi Buddy...
If I point out we have exceeded the practical test standards for altitude control and are 200 feet too high the cyclic goes forward before they move the throttle.
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Long ago when my older brother was in the Air Force, he did electronics maintenance for what they called "F-Troop", a joke name (based on an old cavalry comedy show) for the guys in the 57-Fs. Hard to believe those things started with the old English Electric Canberra with about half the wing!The last three pictures are of Dave in his flight suit, the aircraft (WB57-F) he was flying back seat of and the view. He flew over 50 missions and reached 65,000 feet.