modern single place gyros?

13brv3

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Greetings,

I'm still thinking about my next gyro project, and it seems like all the more recent gyros (Magni, AutoGyro, AR, etc) have very similar tandem designs. I don't have any interest in a 2 place gyro, but I do like the more recent designs. Magni did have an M14 that was essentially single place, though there was a provision for an uncomfortable rear seat. I haven't seen much about those, and I'm not even sure they were available in the US.

Are there similar designs in single place that I'm just not finding?

Thanks,
Rusty
 

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Have you seen Aviomania's single? I know very little about it but like what I've seen. Sport Copter also makes a wonderful single place ship. I'm not yet a pilot so cannot comment on any flight characteristics.
 

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Thanks, I definitely missed the Aviomania. That Genesis Sport would be nearly perfect. I fear it's one of those "If you have to ask the price" situations. I wonder how many are in the US? I couldn't even tell if it's available as a kit to qualify for experimental, or if it's only available fully built. At some point I might have to ask.

I know all about the SC Vortex, and would be perfectly happy with an M912, except for the price. I saw a used one for sale recently for $66k, which I'd never be able to justify for what it is. There's a 582 on Barnstormers now, but I'm done with 2 strokes, and I don't know if you can easily convert from 582 to 912 on that model.
 

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I have a Sport Copter Vortex with a Rotax 618. I too would rather have a 4 stroke but $$$$. And if a 912 needs repair it also cost lots of $$$. I have rebuilt several 2 stroke Rotax engines in the past on my airplanes. Parts are much cheaper and they are fairly simple to rebuild. I couldn't afford to rebuild a 912.
 

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Have you seen Aviomania's single? I know very little about it but like what I've seen. Sport Copter also makes a wonderful single place ship. I'm not yet a pilot so cannot comment on any flight characteristics.
There is a build thread right now for an Aviomania 1-seater Genesis.
I love mine.

Kai.
 

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I've got to say I'm really liking what I see on the G1. At some point I will likely need ask about pricing. I already have a 912UL running on a test stand, and may even come up with a set of Dragon Wings by then. Perhaps that will make the pricing a little less painful. No hurry at this point, since I'm still finishing the current Sonex Onex project (with a 912UL also).
Thanks,
Rusty
 

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Rusty:

I purchased my G1sB kit with the Rotax 912UL late last year. Putting it together now. With some options you are looking at at about $35k. If you already have the Rotax you can get the kit for way less. Let me know if you have any questions. Quality is superb.
 

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Rusty,
You might be interested in the build that I am documenting on my FB page right now.
Also, you mentioned you were looking for some Dragon Wings...
May I suggest:
These are the blades Bobby will be putting his Aviomania G1 build that you have been pointed to.
No hard sales push.... Just do a search and see what others are saying about Razor Blades....
I'll be delivering another 2 sets on my way down to barnstormers next week!
Thanks!
Denis
 

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I've caught up on the G1 build thread, and I'll be watching it closely.

No need to sell me on any of your products Denis. The quality I've seen is amazing, clearly a labor of love. I still can't believe you machine ribs from solid aluminum :) I'm not actively looking for Dragon Wings, but as it turns out, I may have an opportunity to pick up a set at a good price. If that doesn't work out, I'll eventually have a set of Razor Blades. BTW, what diameter blades would be used on the G1 with a 912UL and 180 lb pilot?
Cheers,
Rusty
 

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если хотите, посмотрите мою страничку фб мастерская домашних строителей
 

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если хотите, посмотрите мою страничку фб мастерская домашних строителей
Я сделаю это. Спасибо за публикацию. Очень интересный дизайн.
 

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I'm still liking the Aviomania G1, but I'd love to build something similar from plans. Do any of the modern gyros offer plans as an option to building? By modern, I mean larger tail on a single tube rather than the tall tails like the Dominator and others. I'm having a hard time deciding which direction to go on the next build.
Thanks,
Rusty
 

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Hi Rusty.

What you're describing sounds a lot like the GyroBee I am currently building. The original GyroBee is a tried-and-true design with a great safety record, and at the moment is only available as a plans-built ship.

Like you, I also wanted a taller tail but didn't want to do the Dominator style 'yard arm' due to added complication of adapting it with a folding mast. So I stiffened the tailboom with a type of pylon structure; A diagonal streamlined tube from the mast to a point on the tailboom 4" forward of the prop tip that takes compression loads, and a pair of outriggers that are loaded in tension via turnbuckles to minimize twisting of the tailboom tube that a tall-ish tail will impose. There's progress pictures on the 'Crescendo Build' thread, though the ship does look a little different than when I started (as one would hope).

It has a seat tank now which was raised considerably, and a few other mods including the suspension system and a spline channels to reinforce the engine supports due to using the heavier 503 in lieu of the 447 it was originally designed for. But the basic geometry has remained true to plans.

The only drawback for some potential builders might be that (as far as I know) you will not be able to use one of the heavier 4-strokes without considerable re-design, in which case it wouldn't really be a GyroBee anymore, or even safe from a structural standpoint without proper engineering analysis.

The PRA site has a newly revamped members section for plans of different designs that may be worth your time and money to join and peruse. Some of them are design drawings with varying degrees of detail while others border on crude documentation, but it's a good academic study of what's out there and the different ways designers have achieved things.

The Hornet is also a variation of the GyroBee, with several examples having been built and successfully flown. Plans can be found (I think Rev 13 was the last). But a complaint I've heard over the years was the number of machined parts the ship required, as well as the stiffness of the mast due to its seat brace diagonals running all the way up to the rotorhead cheek plates.

Just a couple of ideas for your consideration, however please keep in mind I am not yet a gyro pilot, nor do I have an aeronautical background. I am just a builder that arrived at the decisions I did after doing much study, asking questions, and more importantly, listening to those with experience, just as you are doing now.
 

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Hi Brian,

Thanks for all the comments. A 912UL is a mission requirement, since I already have one, so that generally takes me out of the plans built models I've seen. I'm not completely opposed to making a tall tail single place Dominator, and I do have all the parts, but it's probably not my first choice. Like you, I'd love to have a folding mast.

I've built a bunch of planes, but only one Dominator long ago. Since I'm certainly not an expert designer, or gyro pilot, I'd be very hesitant to get too creative with the design. If I can find something that's a known working design that can be built from plans, that would be the best option.

Cheers,
Rusty
 

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At one point, Aviomania would sell just the airframe if the builder could convince them that he had a 912 (picture of dataplate, etc).
That policy was changed, but might be worth exploring that route.
Brian
 
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