mid-air collision in France, 29 July

Tyger

Active Member
Joined
Nov 25, 2017
Messages
454
Location
Germantown, NY
Aircraft
Magni M16
Total Flight Time
290
https://france3-regions.francetvinfo...s-1519368.html

"Selon des témoins, deux autogires, sortes d'ULM motorisés et dotés d'hélice, se sont percutés en vol à hauteur de la commune de Saint-George-de-Rex, au milieu de parcelles de blé. Au sol, on distingue à peine les deux carcasses des appareils qui se sont embrasés après le choc."

"According to witnesses, two autogyros, a kind of ultralight with a rotor, crashed into each other in flight above St-George-de-Rex, in the midst of wheat fields. On the ground, it was difficult to tell apart the remains of the two machines, which caught fire after the impact" (apologies for my meager translation skills).

I had never heard of an in-flight collision of two gyros before...
 
Last edited:

C. Beaty

Gold Supporter
Joined
Apr 16, 2004
Messages
9,853
Location
Florida
The president of RAF-Canada, Dan Hasseloh, was killed in a collision with another gyro in 1987.
 

Jerry_Forest

Member
Joined
Nov 14, 2003
Messages
125
Location
TORONTO, CANADA
Aircraft
Bensen B8-M
Total Flight Time
350
Here's some more info using google translate on the news link from http://gyroaccidents.blogspot.com/ (thanks to Steve_UK).

Two gyrocopters crashed in the south of Deux-Sèvres causing two casualties Crash Scene.jpg

The tragedy took place on the morning of Sunday, July 29th. Two gyrocopters, a kind of ULM with propeller, crashed in the town of Saint-Georges-de-Rex (79). The pilots of both aircraft died.
By Yleanna RobertPosted on 29/07/2018 at 14:34 Updated on the 30/07/2018 at 11:35
It is a dramatic aircraft accident that took place around 11am this Sunday, July 29 in the Deux-Sèvres.

According to witnesses, two gyrocopters, a kind of motorized and propelled ultralight ULM, crashed into flight in the commune of Saint-George-de-Rex, in the middle of plots of wheat. On the ground, the two bodies are scarcely distinguishable from the devices that ignited after the impact.

Firefighters and gendarmes were quickly alerted. The Mayor of Saint-Hilaire-la-Palud, Dany Brémaud, says:

"We had an alert concerning a crash of aircraft that crashed. When we arrived there, there was nothing left to do, it was nothing more than smoking carcasses. The pilots of both gyroplanes are dead.
An investigation was opened by the gendarmes of Frontenay-Rohan-Rohan to know the reasons for this tragedy. It should be taken over by the brigade of gendarmerie of air transport, based in Bordeaux".
 
Last edited:

Doug Riley

Platinum Member
Joined
Jan 11, 2004
Messages
6,381
Many years ago, Ed Alderfer was involved in a gyro-to-gyro midair. Ed managed to bring his craft down safely, but the other gyro pilot did not.
 

Brian Jackson

Platinum Member
Joined
Jul 17, 2004
Messages
2,992
Location
Hamburg, New Jersey USA
Aircraft
GyroBee Variant - Under Construction
Doug,

Do you recall when/where? Simply curious. Ed gave me my first gyro ride at the Brookville, Ohio PRA convention in '91 in his SxS AC.
 

Tyger

Active Member
Joined
Nov 25, 2017
Messages
454
Location
Germantown, NY
Aircraft
Magni M16
Total Flight Time
290
C. Beaty;n1136341 said:
The president of RAF-Canada, Dan Hasseloh, was killed in a collision with another gyro in 1987.
Hard to find much information on that one, but it seems like it was more like 1998?
 

Doug Riley

Platinum Member
Joined
Jan 11, 2004
Messages
6,381
Bryan: I don't recall where Ed's accident took place. IIR, he was flying his TRAG --a triple-masted tank of a tractor gyro with a Scorpion body. Its beefy construction may have saved his life (he seemed to have nine of them).

Ed gave me one of the check rides and signoffs I needed to become a gyro BFI. I flew with him, both in his SxS gyro and in formation with him in mine, a few times at flyins. Heck of a nice guy.
 

Jerry_Forest

Member
Joined
Nov 14, 2003
Messages
125
Location
TORONTO, CANADA
Aircraft
Bensen B8-M
Total Flight Time
350
Finally found some info on the Dan Haseloh RAF 2000 mid air collision from this link:
http://sportflyingforum.com/accidents.php

6th June 1998 - Kindersley, Saskatchewan, Canada - Middair collision between two RAF 2000 GT gyrocopters - fatal. A summary of the official report states, "The two aircraft went overdue from a local VFR flight north of Kindersley airport, Sask. The wreckage of the two gyrocopters was eventually located about 7 NM north of the airport by a farmer. The two aircraft collided in the air and crashed into a field. One aircraft had one pilot and one passenger (a professional photographer) on board while the other aircraft had one pilot on board. All were fatally injured. There is evidence to confirm that the rotor systems intermeshed while in flight, causing rotor break up."

They were apparently shooting an air-to-air promo video when they lost sight of each other while flying in the same direction, one above the other. One was ascending, the other descending eventually coming together. They were probably looking for each other bigtime, but in the fully enclosed gyros they were flying have a limited field of view. Two open cockpit gyros would be much less prone to this kind of accident.

Can't find the TSB report.
 

Kevin_Richey

Yamaha gyro...Oregon, USA
Joined
Nov 16, 2003
Messages
2,257
Location
Oregon, USA
Aircraft
Sport Copter gyroplane
Total Flight Time
300+ gyroplane, 11 airplane, 1.5 PPC, AND... a ZILLION hours of flying in my dreams!
Word had leaked out that there was a video of the accident from the camera being used, and was in the possession of RAF-Kindersley.
It reportedly showed the front & lower machine rapidly rising up and it's rotor disc came up into the following one's cockpit.

Sure sounds like a thermal. Those who fly gyros understand how fast of an elevator-up ride it is. I found updrafts greatly affect my altitude until I have passed through them, whereas down drafts are slight, almost like a gentle pressure downwards on the rotors.
 

Vance

Gyroplane CFI
Joined
Oct 30, 2003
Messages
16,164
Location
Nipomo,California
Aircraft
Givens Predator
Total Flight Time
2400+ in rotorcraft
It reads to me like a formation/photo flight that was not properly briefed or executed.

I am surprised there aren't more midair collisions of gyroplanes.

Gyroplanes are hard to see and I have found the flight path often hard to predict.

Many gyroplane pilots do not use the radio well even at events where there is a lot of traffic.
 
Top