Low speed final - video

[Timchick]

My FTP software wouldn't connect so I had to download and use one recommended on PRA34's site.

 

[GyroRon]

Paul what gyro in those two videos was yaw unstable? The first movie of the Dominator coming in with the snow skis looked perfectly stable to me, he just came in and plopped in down hard, the gyro took it and he went back up for another... And I am sure you have plopped a gyro in hard a time or two before as well, it has nothing to do with the gyro and everything to do with the pilot.

In the second video - where he crashes - he wasn't maintaining yaw as he took back off and drove it off the runway into the snowbank. I can assure you this had nothing to do with the gyro and everything to do with the pilot not using his feet on the pedals.

Paul why not explain how this gyro was unstable in yaw, and what could be different to make it more stable.

 

[Aussie_Paul]

Paul what gyro in those two videos was yaw unstable? The first movie of the Dominator coming in with the snow skis looked perfectly stable to me, he just came in and plopped in down hard, the gyro took it and he went back up for another... And I am sure you have plopped a gyro in hard a time or two before as well, it has nothing to do with the gyro and everything to do with the pilot.

In the second video - where he crashes - he wasn't maintaining yaw as he took back off and drove it off the runway into the snowbank. I can assure you this had nothing to do with the gyro and everything to do with the pilot not using his feet on the pedals.

Paul why not explain how this gyro was unstable in yaw, and what could be different to make it more stable.

Geez Ron, I did not see what you have seen. I only saw a slow approach with the tail wagging quite a bit!!!!

I had better have another look!!!!

I have had a terrible time getting to see what I am supposed to see.

Aussie Paul.

 

[GyroRon]

I rewatched them as well, and the first one - the hard touch and go - he is moving the rudder as he approaches. This is not a instabilty problem, this is the pilot screwing around either on purpose or from a lack of experience. Watch the video closely and you can see the rudder move causing the nose to move. Had he held the rudder still the nose would have not moved.

The Second video - the crash - he lands slightly crabbed and the gyro begins bouncing from one main gear to the other, And instead of chopping power and stopping, he continues to try to go around allowing the side to side bounce to build - kind of like a landing PIO - and he lifts off too slow and out of control, the rotor hits the snowbank and the gyro goes over. When you get a Dominator to start bouncing on the gear you got to stop now or else something bad will likely happen. I believe all gyros can have this problem, but dominators do seem to be one of the worse. I will admit it is a weak point in a otherwise fine design. You just got to land the dam thing straight and if not stop immediately if it starts to rock from one gear to the other.

Both videos show that more training is needed. Both show pilot error, not machine instability

My comment about you plopping it in hard wasn't to mean just you.... that we all have had a hard landing at some point or another.

 

[gyroman]

crash video

crash video

What's the name of the crash video?

 

[twistair]

The Second video - the crash - he lands slightly crabbed...

I'm sure, Ron, you've noted good side wind which was the second reason for this crash. The first reason was pilot's decision to take-off with this wind and without that experience.

 

[Alan Coats]

It looks like he kept trying to correct yaw with the cyclic instead of the rudder until it was too late.

Alan

 

[Gary_in_Orygun]

vovkashort.mpg is the name of the crash video.

 

[automan1223]

Looked like...

Looked like...

I know it was cold and he had that benefit, but it looked like a pilot flying way behind the power curve and getting what happens when you have too little air flying the machine....Low and slow and no where to go. Just trying to fly on prop thrust...

Jonathan

 

[Hognose]

My browser (Mozilla on MacOSX) did not open the FTP site right, so I was able to ftp it from the command line:

>ftp www.prachapter34.com

and the Windows server gives normal unix like ftp prompts.

Windows users can ftp from the command line by opening the command prompt shell (Start=>Run-> type "command" and hit return) and then entering the following at the C:> prompt

C:> ftp www.prachapter34.com

And then just follow the instructions. The only trick is to set file type to binary which you do, once you're logged in, by typing "binary"

cheers

-=K=-

 

[fun-flyer]

Got it opened

Got it opened

Yep I was able to open with the proper instructions.

So that's how we do a spot landing Or was that a really fast touch and go

 

[The Last Church]

Where to buy: https://www.abbottcompany.com/

The Gyroplane flight manual by Paul Bergen Abbott

 

[The Last Church]

I didn't know you could loop and roll these gyros but I just saw it. I bought the video $10.

 

[Dean_Dolph]

Well, you can try! And you might succeed but why would you want too?

Yes, people including Jim Vanak, who is probably the one you saw on the video, have done it but it is not a recommended manuever. This has been discussed here recently. Do a search and you will find the reasons why no one should attempt this.

 

[The Last Church]

I know why

I know why

Well, you can try! And you might succeed but why would you want too?
Do a search and you will find the reasons why no one should attempt this.

The reason you would not want to do this is it would more than likely kill you. But I would like to know what to do if I ever found myself in that position.​

 

[GyroChuck]

The reason you would not want to do this is it would more than likely kill you. But I would like to know what to do if I ever found myself in that position.

I don't know how a competent pilot would ever find himself in a loop. But if a person did then. Keep The Rotors Loaded.

 

[EI-GYRO]

Speed-praying would be good.

I wish Mr Vanek wouldnt do that. It sets a lousy example to others.

Thanks Udi, for the link. Very interesting.

You can tell they never read Br Bensen's training guide.

What did the onboard ' instructor' specialise in, line-dancing?