Low G and Rrpm decay rate

Jean Claude

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Has anyone seen rotor decay in a power hover. Seems logical to me that it could happen, always keep my eye on RRPM when doing them, but never seen much of a decay.
In the nose up condition with zero AIS and the use of throttle to hold position ( simulated hover for a few seconds in a no wind condition) will see the Rrpm decay slightly, the aircraft will start to fall gentry towards the ground fully controllable, once that happens the Rrpm will then recover we normally invite the nose down after that ( no abrupt movement on the stick) it’s really a non event, I teach this to students and converting pilots and it’s a great exercise to let them gain confidence with what I call stirring the porridge, and a great experience for the pilot to see and identify with how different the controls feel ( heavy slow response on the stick yet full rudder authority)

Take your gyro to a local ridge on a windy day you can sit in the lift region ( of the ridge ) and modulate power thereby simulation a hover 😁 if anyone were to see if from the ground it would appear they gyro is hovering

who says a gyro can’t hover 😉
 

Doug Riley

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As long as air is passing through the rotor disk at an angle other than edgewise, the rotor will turn. Loss of RRPM in a gyro happens when the airflow past the rotor disk is edgewise.

In steady flight, this "edgewise" condition won't exist for more than a split second. As the RRPM begins to drop, the gyro will begin to descend. This descent changes the angle of the airflow to the disk from edgewise to "from below." This stabilizes the RRPM and prevents further loss of RRPM.

The loss of RRPM from "edgewise" flow can become catastrophic if, instead of steady flight, the gyro follows a ballistic path -- that is, a downward arc that duplicates the path of a pitched baseball or an artillery shell. This arc-ed path can allow the "edgewise" flow to persist long enough for RRPM to decay to the point where the rotor may experience retreating-blade stall (destructive flapping).

But this can't happen in a simple vertical descent (or fake hover). The gyro then lacks the momentum to assume a ballistic path. Instead, the gyro simply sinks, with air passing into and through the disk at a large angle.
 
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