Letter of Deviation Authority (LODA) Holders

ms80831

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TO: All PRA38 members
RE; EAA updated list of LODA holders for Rotorcraft

These instructors hold Letters of Deviation Authority (LODA) from the FAA that authorize them to operate their experimental aircraft for hire for the purposes of type-specific training

EAA, as well as the FAA and NTSB, strongly recommend that all builders and new owners of experimental aircraft undertake a thorough transition training program before flying their own aircraft solo for the first time (during Phase I testing or otherwise). These instructors are an invaluable resource towards accomplishing that goal. Proper transition training is an essential first step toward safe operation of experimental aircraft and a key element in the continuing effort to improve aviation safety.


Arkansas

Ron's Gyroplane
501-766-6456 Searcy Gyroplanes

Foster, Steve
501-279-2759 Searcy RAF 2000 GTX

Arizona

Brandt, Terry
602-739-0554 Avondale RAF 2000

Dale, Andrew
520-431-3114 Chandler Rotorway Exec 162F
Rotorway A600 Talon

Mayfield, James
623-877-9760 Avondale RAF 2000 GTX-SE

Tinnesand, Scott
623-451-2791 Mesa Xenon RST


Florida

Dofin A. Fritts
850-587-2504 Molino RAF 2000 GTX SE
RAF 2000


Martian, Robert
772-546-7335 Hobe Sound Marchetti SG-3

Georgia

McGowan, Steve
478-461-1451 Macon McGowans/Parsons 2 P
McCowan SHT TD

Theeke, Michael
423-364-9379 Wildwood AAI Sparrowhawk

Iowa

Menin, Ira 712-223-7568 Sioux City AAI Sparrowhawk


Illinois

Smith, Silas
312-474-7269 Lansing Frank Marchetti Avenger

Indiana

Drake, Brent 317-392-2364 Shelbyville Twinstarr
Goldsberry, Gerald 317-996-2487 Mooresville Ekstrom Twinstar

Snider, John 812-890-8257 Vincennes RAF 2000 GTX SE

Kentucky

Craft, Steven
859-409-9366 Hebron Gyrocraft



Maryland

Niles, Frederick
703-983-7348 Laurel RAF 2000

Snyder, Robert
410-604-1719 Stevensville Autogyo Gmbh Calidus
Bell 47G-3B-2



Missouri

Gremminger, Gregory
314-540-0367 Ste. Genevieve Magni M-16

Salmon, Paul
573-334-8268 Cape Girardeau Magni M-16




New York

Logan, Demetrios
516-746-3427 Williston RAF 2000


Ohio

Newbold, Edward
740-668-3541
614-207-3909 Columbus AAI Sparrowhawk

O'Connor, Timothy
513-477-4488 Batavia Twinstarr


Oregon

Vanek, James
503-543-7000 Scappoose Sport Copter VRTX II
Sport Copter SuperSP


Pennsylvania

Nadig, James
724-967-2745 Grove City RAF 2000


Texas

Butts, Desmon
907-841-2409 Tomball MTO Sport

McPherson, Craig
817-517-3283 Blum MTO Sport

Foster, Henry Dallas AAI Sparrowhawk
Foxfire 1

Sharp, Rick
713-213-8454 Houston T-1-GNAT
UH-1-Iroquois

Utah

Oldham, Nathan
801-794-3434 Spanish Fork AAI Sparrowhawk III
 
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And a few of us with Standard Airworthiness aircraft don't need a LODA.



(But frankly, that's not what most PRA members want to train in anyway.)
 

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Maybe I should know this ,but what is the differance between aircraft that needs a LODA and a Standard Airworthiness aircraft ? :confused:
 

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Unlike a Standard Airworthiness aircraft, compensation can't be provided for services in an experimental amateur built aircraft. The LODA waives this restriction allowing training for hire in an EAB.
 

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Mark - Is there a list of Examiners (Designated Pilot Examiner or Sport Pilot Examiner) available for gyroplanes?
Signoff by an Examiner in addition to the CFI is needed for the initial Sport Pilot Gyroplane (SPY) certificate. Note that this is for the initial license, not an endorsement on an existing license.
 

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Flyguy -

An aircraft that passed the full FAA certification review and testing for its engineering and qualifies under 14 CFR 21.175 in, for example, the normal or utility categories, gets a Standard Airworthiness Certificate.
It can be used for hire, for instruction, or for just about anything without restriction, and can be sold to the public by the manufacturer as a completed factory built aircraft. The typical Boeing, Cessna, Piper, Sikorsky, Bell, and Robinson models of airplanes and helicopters all qualify. Certification is outrageously expensive. Only two gyroplane models, the Air & Space 18a and the McCulloch J-2, have been given Standard Airworthiness certificates and have entered serial production since WWII.

The other gyros you see are typically licensed as "Experimental - Amateur Built". They have not been tested to the standards required for standard airworthiness aircraft for design and workmanship and might very well fail to meet many of them if they were to be tested. They cannot legally be factory built and sold to the public, and typically are produced by the first owner/builder from plans or kits. They are permitted to fly in U.S. airspace, but the regulations prohibit their use for any commercial purpose, such as giving flight instruction for hire or charging for rides. To instruct in one of these, you need a "deviation authority" to deviate from the regulations. To get that, you apply for a "LODA" for the combination of instructor and specific aircraft.

Regulations aside, if you look at the certified models in practical terms, they all have certified Lycoming engines (no auto conversions, no two-strokes), they have fully articulated three blade rotor systems (no Bensen style teetering fixed collective two blade rotor systems), they all have substantial empennage (no stab-less designs), they are enclosed with welded frames and/or monocoque structures (no open bolt together frames), they are large and heavy compared to other gyros (up to 1800 pounds, too big to be flown on a sport pilot license), they have spin-up mechanisms for more than 100% of flight rpm (no rolling down the runway to get rotor rpm), and many other differences.
 

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WaspAir - Wow! I am humbled in your presence, sir.
:yo:

Can you shed any light on my Sport Pilot Gyroplane initial certification question?
As best I can determine, there are only 4 gyro examiners in the U.S., the closest to the southeast being in Arkansas.
 

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Thank you guys for answering that for me .
If I may , I am siged off for sport pilot in a gyroand I have a PPL, what could I fly if I get a (is ther such a thing) privet pilot gyro cert.?:eek:
 

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Mark - Is there a list of Examiners (Designated Pilot Examiner or Sport Pilot Examiner) available for gyroplanes?
Signoff by an Examiner in addition to the CFI is needed for the initial Sport Pilot Gyroplane (SPY) certificate. Note that this is for the initial license, not an endorsement on an existing license.
YES

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=113399995725727970833.00047d01a109d7e7c4adb&ll=35.245619,-98.261719&spn=49.933714,89.560547&z=4


Location of gyroplane (gyrocopter, gyautogyro, giroplane, girocopter, gyro) flight instructors in the US. These instructors are PRA members and certified by the FAA to instruct in gyros. Red locations are SPE or DPE. Blue locations are CFI. The green arrows are major rotorcraft events.

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Thanks, Mark.
I don't know who maintains this list, but some errata as of 12/12/12 ...

The SPE or DPE list should also include David Johnson in Edgewood NM.

CFIs should include Randy Patterson in Bunnell, FL.

Both are PRA members and FAA certified.

Unfortunately, this confirms my fears as the nearest Examiner is some 1,200 miles away. Which makes it darn hard to get signed off on an initial Sport Pilot license in Gyroplane.
 

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If I may , I am siged off for sport pilot in a gyroand I have a PPL, what could I fly if I get a (is ther such a thing) privet pilot gyro cert.?:eek:
Yes, there are Sport, Recreational, Private, and Commercial gyro ratings (there is no ATP gyro rating under current regulations). If you have a Private rating, you can fly any gyro in the U.S., including ultralights, all the amateur built experimentals, the A&S 18A, the McCulloch J-2, and if the company would let you, the Groen Hawk 4 turbine gyroplane.

You would also not be limited as to number of passengers, airspace, altitude, day/night, etc.
 

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With respect to Illinois.....is Si Smith the only one? I thought Chuck Roberg and Rick Marshall were CFI's with current LODA's?
 

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Yes, there are Sport, Recreational, Private, and Commercial gyro ratings (there is no ATP gyro rating under current regulations). If you have a Private rating, you can fly any gyro in the U.S., including ultralights, all the amateur built experimentals, the A&S 18A, the McCulloch J-2, and if the company would let you, the Groen Hawk 4 turbine gyroplane.

You would also not be limited as to number of passengers, airspace, altitude, day/night, etc.
WOW, that is good to know ,nowI just need to get someone with a A&S 18A to let me give it a try.
Sincerly WaspAir ,Thanks
Mark A.
 

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Few Hours

And a few of us with Standard Airworthiness aircraft don't need a LODA.



(But frankly, that's not what most PRA members want to train in anyway.)
I would frankly like to get an hour or two in both your aircraft before I leave California.
 

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Unlike a Standard Airworthiness aircraft, compensation can't be provided for services in an experimental amateur built aircraft. The LODA waives this restriction allowing training for hire in an EAB.
There is a whole lot more difference between aircraft that are EAB and the ones that have standard category certification.
 

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WOW, that is good to know ,nowI just need to get someone with a A&S 18A to let me give it a try.
Sincerly WaspAir ,Thanks
Mark A.
I would frankly like to get an hour or two in both your aircraft before I leave California.
Rides are easy to arrange. Send me a p.m. and we'll work out a date/time.
 
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