Instrument panel of my M-24

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What pilot rating would be required to operate your gyro in IMC under paragraph 24 of your operating limitations?

FAA currently issues instrument ratings only for airplane, helicopter, and powered lift. Decades ago there was an ATP-gyro rating but it was deleted from the regs (according to rumor, on a petition from Don Farrington). Glider pilots are specifically permitted to fly IFR (e.g., thermal up beyond cloud base in uncontrolled airspace out west) on the basis of a combination of a glider rating and an airplane instrument rating under 61.3(e)(3), and airship IFR privileges come with the Commercial LTA-airship rating under 61.3(e)(4) but gyros are not mentioned in those regs. What/where is the authorization to operate a gyro in IMC?
 
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By the way, I might move, but would never delete, a compass from my panel. They are small, simple, cheap, and terribly reliable (at least in the lower 48 states, once you know their quirks). For me, that's instrument number 2 on the list of simple trustworthy things (the yaw string is number 1).
 
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What pilot rating would be required to operate your gyro in IMC under paragraph 24 of your operating limitations?
I don't know. I'm going to get Sport Pilot license and have no plans , desire or need to fly in IMC ever.
 
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I don't know. I'm going to get Sport Pilot license and have no plans , desire or need to fly in IMC ever.
That's a perfectly reasonable, sensible, and longevity-enhancing attitude that I whole-heartedly endorse.
I'm just seriously curious as to why they would put that paragraph in the operating limitations when FAR 61.3(e) seems to prohibit using it.
 
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That's a perfectly reasonable, sensible, and longevity-enhancing attitude that I whole-heartedly endorse.
I'm just seriously curious as to why they would put that paragraph in the operating limitations when FAR 61.3(e) seems to prohibit using it.
Thanks!
When government is involved I'm not surprised by anything.
 

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You may want a compass if the unit charging the smart pads stops working when you fly longer cross countries. I had this happen once on a trip.

Oh I just remembered that I pull out my smart phone and started Foreflight up... Damn sectionals were in the back storage compartment and unreachable...
 
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DavePA11, I just finished over 1000 nm cross country trip (took 2 days) and did not have a need to look at the compass even once.
BTW, iPhone, iPad and iPad-mini, which I had onboard, all have much more accurate integrated compasses, then mechanical dinosaur installed by the factory, which you see on the picture on top of dashboard.
 
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An electronic device (including those with Hall effect sensors, and those deriving heading information from GPS-measured motion) should not be inherently more accurate than a than a properly installed and maintained magnetic compass. It may be more stable in its displayed reading (not showing fluctuations from northerly turning error, etc.) making it look more user-friendly, but that's not the same thing as accuracy.

Perhaps you need to "swing" the compass (a good thing to do now and then) or relocate wiring near it.
 

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My experimental operating limitations are, "Aircraft instruments and equipment installed and used under 91.205 must be inspected and maintained in accordance with the requirements of part 91. Any maintenance or inspection of this equipment must be recorded in the aircraft maintenance records".
 
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An electronic device (including those with Hall effect sensors, and those deriving heading information from GPS-measured motion) should not be inherently more accurate than a than a properly installed and maintained magnetic compass.
I stand corrected, but the accuracy of the compass does not matter , there are so many visual landmarks (mountains, lakes, interstate highways. etc) in my home state that I fail to see the situation in which I might ever need a compass onboard.
Not interested in a long cross country trips at all, all my flights will be within 100-150 miles from home airport.
 
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