High Centerline trainig

[13brv3]

Russell: Yes, I have students booked this weekend and next, weather permitting. This last weekend was a washout. We're pretty far from you, unfortunately. I'm in Northwestern Vermont. Here's a picture of our little apple-orchard strip.

Thanks Doug. You're right, that's a bit far to travel for training. Can you suggest any instructors closer to the FL Panhandle?

Thanks,
Rusty

 

[Doug Riley]

Russell: You might ask Ernie Boyette. The instructors I know of are in central Fla. David Seace is one of those with a Dominator.

 

[13brv3]

Good idea. I know that Rusty Nance was giving instruction at one time in SC with Mazda rotary powered Air Command gyros. Seems like that would be close enough to a Dominator, and I give extra points for rotary engines It would be nice to find someone closer, and with a two place Dominator. I'll give Ernie a call when I get ready.

Thanks,
Rusty

 

[Harry_S.]

Anyone: Is Ron Menzie under contract with AAI...or has he just incorporated the AAI conversion on his RAF?


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[KenSandyEggo]

Ron is listed as a "U.S Dealer" on the AAI site with contact info.

 

[Harry_S.]

Thanks Ken.


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[r.coplen]

Ok, I have time to get back to my original post.

The first part of my question: Are there any CFI’s that can train for non centerline gyros in my area. The closest person noted was Charlie Mara in Tucson.

Pat Tope mentioned Scott Malone in Oregon but he is not active or available.


The second part of my question: Who is going to teach non-centerline gyro’s if all the new CFI’s are trained for centerline gyros.

1.There was discussion on how to demonstrate PIO and PO in a centerline gyro but it was not the same.

2.There was discussion that I might use the word stable aircraft instead of centerline.

3.There was the discussion that Groen Brothers was trying to sign up all the best CFI’s (Ron Menzie) and restrict them from teaching non-centerline.


My input
1. We can teach the ground school of PIO and PO. That is all I can do.

2. I use the term centerline thrust as that is what all the dealers were taught by Jim Mayfield. What it really means is that the aircraft will return to stable flight without pilot intervention after a gust of wind or thermal has interrupted normal flight. I know that the Sports Copter and the Magni are not marketed as centerline thrust but they are stable aircraft and I would suggest that by Jim Mayfields definition they are centerline aircraft. Benson stated that when the thrust line nears 5 inches above the center of gravity the gyro would become unstable. So maybe the old Doctor spelled it out for us.


3. I have never had a chance talk to Ron Menzie so I can’t speak for him. I can speak for myself. I was taught and shown buy mathematical formulas how PIO and PO happen and how centerline aircraft are not exposed to those events by Jim Mayfield. I have no restrictions in my agreement with AAI about this but it is certainly the main marketing issue for the SparrowHawk.

The really big issue for me is that I can only provide flight instruction insurance in centerline (stable, as Mr. Plack would say) gyroplanes. AIG provides our insurance and has limited their coverage to centerline (stable ) aircraft. At present I have to carry $1,000,000 liability for the airport and for my wife's OK. To me this is only common sense. I know the other dealers have gotten insurance or are getting it. If I was an instructor like Ron Menzie or a new instructor I would want to fly insurable gyros. That doesn’t mean it would have to be a SparrowHawk. It could be a Dominator, Sportscopter, Air Command, Magni, RAF with AAI conversion, or other centerline stable aircraft approved by AIG.

 

[Mayfield]

I believe you are doing it right Randy

I believe you are doing it right Randy

When I was in charge of AAI I made the decision that our instructors would not train in unstable aircraft.

You are right, "stability" is the key. Your interpretation of what I taught is correct.

I know your CFIs. Good men and good instructors. I also know you. I am confident that you ensure that all your clients understand that training in a near CLT, horizontal stabilizer equipped gyroplane, can not prepare them to fly an unstable gyro.

You are also correct that training in a Magni, a Dominator, a CLT Air Command, or a SH is pretty much the same except for systems.

Keep up the good work Randy. Your school will make a difference.

Jim

 

[MikeBoyette]

Rusty,
Dave Seace trains in a Hirth powered Dominator, when it will run. Rusty Nance is in Iraq fighting in his giant gyro(Apache). He no longer owns the Air Command. He now trains in a Sub4 powered Dominator. I am not sure when his tour of duty is up. I hope this helps.

 

[13brv3]

Rusty,
Dave Seace trains in a Hirth powered Dominator, when it will run. Rusty Nance is in Iraq fighting in his giant gyro(Apache). He no longer owns the Air Command. He now trains in a Sub4 powered Dominator. I am not sure when his tour of duty is up. I hope this helps.

Thanks Mike. I guess that explains why Rusty hasn't answered my email. Where is Dave Seace located, and do you have an email or phone number for him?

Thanks,
Rusty (with apologies for the thread diversion)

 

[MikeBoyette]

Rusty,
He trains at Wachula. Right now he is only a BFI so any time you get will not be logable for PPL. He is however, when the FAA gets someone to teach the class, going to become a CFI for Sport Pilot. I think his number is (813) 634-2809. I haven't talked to him since BD's. I dont know if ever got his Mac,oops I mean Hirth, running good again.

 

[Rotornut]

LOL easy on Sunstates VP Please. Thanks Mike for all your Help at Bensen Days.
I Appreciated it very much. Family is Family. MJ

 

[13brv3]

Rusty,
He trains at Wachula. Right now he is only a BFI so any time you get will not be logable for PPL. He is however, when the FAA gets someone to teach the class, going to become a CFI for Sport Pilot. I think his number is (813) 634-2809. I haven't talked to him since BD's. I dont know if ever got his Mac,oops I mean Hirth, running good again.

Thanks for the info, but Wachula is about 8 hours from me, so not as convenient as I had hoped for. Sounds like it could be good for some actual engine out practice

Cheers,
Rusty