Gyro Landing Training Video

[Jake]

So here is a second video clips from a training flight with Mike Burton and Bill in his red Sparrowhawk Gyro. This one has two landings that both have cockpit and outside views.

Gyrocopter Landing Training 2 views - YouTube

And if you missed the first landing and takeoff from this flight, I posted it in the flying videos section, but here it is again:

Two views of a gyroplane landing - YouTube

Also, let me know if any of you are interested in seeing the whole flight. It is pretty long, but is a pretty good one where there is some mountain weather going on. I could upload it, but don't want to unless a couple people are really interested it watching it.

 

[Mike484]

I would love any videos that you post. I'm getting them all together to put onto DVD, I think they are great for students and I'm useing them to share with our local club.

 

[GyroDoug]

I always enjoy listening to Milke explain the process and watch how different students react to different situations. It is both instructional and entertaining. Thank you so much for sharing these with all of us.

 

[Heather Poe]

Video Posting

Video Posting

I really appreciate your videos. I capture them in 1080p and burn them on blu-ray. It helps keep the dream alive.
thanks again,
Heather

 

[JimLogan]

Since you took the time to post the video, you may also want to take the time to review it. During take off the student has a hard time maintaining center line and uses two hands for the stick leaving the throttle unaccounted for. The center line issue may be something that could be corrected with practice but if this student is getting into the bad habit of using two hands for the stick early it'll stick for good. And as I've stated in past posts (even though others may disagree) straight from FAA publication AC 61-13A (seen below) Gyroplanes cannot achieve ground effect.

 

[StanFoster]

Jim- I strongly disagree , gyroplanes definitely have ground effect . Stan

 

[JimLogan]

Stan I knew you would be here to comment, but thats straight from the book so all I can tell you is to take it up with FAA.

-Jim

 

[StanFoster]

Jim- How does the FAA explain why I could fly behind the power curve at full power--slower just a couple feet off the runway than I can maintain altitude at 200 feet? How does the FAA explain to me why a rotary wing doesn't have ground effect when a fixed wing does? I won't post anymore here as I don't want to continue another disagreement. I would like to hear others opinions on if a rotary wing has ground effect or not. Stan

 

[jebthereb]

this i would like to see explained.

when i trained in the mto sport with desmond there was a definite "in ground effect" feel to the machine and if the flare and pitch was not executed properly then we would balloon up and then land hard

 

[Vance]

Confused!

Confused!

I am confused Jim.

How does a narrative about helicopter ground effect prove that the FAA believes a gyroplane doesn’t experience ground effect?

Thank you, Vance

 

[Mike484]

It looks like the FAA believes that since a helicopter is pushing the air down then it will create groud effect, since gyroplanes have the air going up, they can't have ground effect.

Just by what I'm seeing here.

 

[Coraview]

Flies more like a fixed wing than a helicopter

Flies more like a fixed wing than a helicopter

A gyro flies more like a fixed wing than a helicopter. Based on that, it's known that a fixed wing is flying in ground effect at a height roughly 1/2 its wingspan. Wouldn't the same be try of the gyro, but 1/2 its rotor diameter?

Any comments are welcomed.

Coraview

 

[Jake]

Review

Review

Since I am not a licensed gyroplane pilot myself, I do not plan on doing any reviews! Mike Burton could probably give a good review of the flight since he was the instructor. Jim is right about using two hands, probably not great.

As for ground effect, there most definitely is a ground effect, I think everyone who has flown a gyro or airplane or helicopter know what if feels like! Now if the FAA calls it ground effect or something else, that is up to them. I am pretty sure the post you made was specific with helicopters, but even then, that same air displacement that helicopters make will occur when you land your gyro, just not as much obviously. There is ground effect for all flying machines!

Thanks for all your comments about the videos!

 

[MichaelBurton]

Cora,

That would be correct.

 

[MichaelBurton]

From the Helicopter flying handbook (FAA 2012) "Ground effect. A usually beneficial influence on helicopter performance that occurs while flying close to the ground. It results from a reduction in upwash, downwash, and bladetip vortices, which provide a corresponding decrease in induced drag."

For a gyroplane it would be the same as the helicopter. The downwash is less than with a helo but not nonexistent. The big change would be from a reduction in bladetip Vortices.

Michael Burton

 

[MichaelBurton]

Jim,

I agree that the student should not leave the throttle unattended. Unfortunately I am not able to be always looking at the students hands. Perhaps if I had another set of eyes.

Mike

 

[MichaelBurton]

I would love any videos that you post. I'm getting them all together to put onto DVD, I think they are great for students and I'm useing them to share with our local club.

Feel free to use the video. Please do not charge for them.

 

[MichaelBurton]

Since you took the time to post the video, you may also want to take the time to review it. During take off the student has a hard time maintaining center line and uses two hands for the stick leaving the throttle unaccounted for. The center line issue may be something that could be corrected with practice but if this student is getting into the bad habit of using two hands for the stick early it'll stick for good. And as I've stated in past posts (even though others may disagree) straight from FAA publication AC 61-13A (seen below) Gyroplanes cannot achieve ground effect.

This quote is for a hovering Helicopter. It is obvious that a gyroplane will never be in this flight mode. While moving forward the gyro and the helicopter will have much the same ground effect resulting in a reduction in induced drag and an increase in resultant lift. You can feel this as a reduction in stick pressure and angle of descent.

 

[Steve McGowan]

Hehehehe

Hehehehe

Hey LOGAN... You don't know Squat..:wacko:....

all those years flying Heli-COPTERS for the NYPD. :usa2:

and no tellin how many hours and students in GYroPLANES..:sad:

I thought you knew better.....:argue::blabla::argue:

aw hell ,, I'll SHO Ya wone MO time.. :noidea:

 

[Steve McGowan]

Hey Burton..

Hey Burton..

So here is a second video clips from a training flight with Mike Burton and Bill in his red Sparrowhawk Gyro. This one has two landings that both have cockpit and outside views.

Gyrocopter Landing Training 2 views - YouTube

And if you missed the first landing and takeoff from this flight, I posted it in the flying videos section, but here it is again:

Two views of a gyroplane landing - YouTube

Also, let me know if any of you are interested in seeing the whole flight. It is pretty long, but is a pretty good one where there is some mountain weather going on. I could upload it, but don't want to unless a couple people are really interested it watching it.

Over All.. nice Video....BUT

I SURELY HOPE !!

This Student Pilot ain't a student... I know its due to the camera that your using both hands to make a point,,

When I was workin with you at Buckeye.... You KNow what woulda happened the first time you did a Hands Off.... Uh HUH!!

As Logan said,, The Hand JIVE stuff,,, will get both of Ya KILLED..

Not just with you but with those that watch your video and think its ok to fly that way..