God Bless all affected by Florence

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We have had a very wet summer here in PA....... & now this !

I pray for all of the victims of this terrible storm.
 

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According to marine buoys, this is a mild tropical storm chris , aka a nothing burger! Trumps Catrina !think about it
 
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I came across some information regarding the impact of Florence and other hurricanes. It seems that the flooding caused by the storm is severely aggravated by sea level rise. In the end this leads to a new evaluation of the value of a property lying in one of the areas that will be affected by future changes in sea level. An article covering this topic can be found here:
https://www.axios.com/sea-level-rise-costing-billions-in-home-prices-7920a7a8-8db4-45b1-ad21-357c4d522fcb.html

Another valuable information is what areas will be affected by future sea level changes. There is a comparison between predicted flood areas and the current situation as well as an extrapolation to 2050 here:
https://www.axios.com/sea-level-rise-hurricane-florence-coastal-flooding-a32d013f-5b66-470a-9536-7a54c3001d64.html


May He hold his hands above and give strength to all the poor victims of this new desaster!
 

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I'm not sure that a decade of rising sea levels will significantly change the waves height of a hurricane(say 30 feet) devastating the shoreline.
And on the few hours of hurricane duration, the rise of the sea due to the atmospheric depression (say 3 feet) still remains very preponderant.
In the meantime, the IPCC will have found other sources of subsidies
 
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My impression from here:
https://www.axios.com/sea-level-rise...4c3001d64.html

has been that their simulation has been remarcably accurate and as an engineer my training tells me that a mathematical model which has predicted results that accurately fifty years into the future will accuratly predict the future thirty years from now. The sad news is that all those who bought property in the areas which will be flooded in future hurricanes will have to take into account the fact that they basically can not hand down any value to their children. As we see now with Florence the greatest devastation is not brought about by the storm but by the flooding that comes after it. Here the backwater in the storm-water drainage due to sea level rise considerably exacerbates the flooding. The map in the link above shows that the size of the affected areas will roughly have doubled by 2050.
 
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Just weeks after Florence we have yet again to express our deepest sympathy to the victims of a terrible desaster. Michael has hit Florida as a hurricane never seen before. It made landfall with wind speeds just 2mph shy of making it category 5. Unfortunately the latest IPCC report on climate change indicates that much worse is to come if we fail to limit global warming. May He hold his hands above and give strength to all the poor victims of this new desaster and give us eyes to see what action is reqired and the strength to do what is necessary.

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/10/how-to-understand-the-uns-dire-new-climate-report/572356/

http://www.ipcc.ch/report/sr15/
 

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Perhaps interesting to read this paper on the greenhouse effect, Juergen
According to its author, a greenhouse does not work by blocking infra-red reflected by the interior floor, but by removing the convection.
Therefore, the warming theory by anthropogenic CO2 just would built on sand
https://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0707/0707.1161v4.pdf
 

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Meanwhile, California could use a little bit of Florence right now. The fires are horrible. We have smoke in the air even in San Jose, 200 miles south of the Camp Fire. They keep finding more and more charred bodies along the roadways and in burned out cars from failed attempts to flee. I have friends from Paradise who had only moments to escape and lost everything.
 

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I purposely do not have any big trees or other fire fuel near my house. It is built with a metal roof and fire-resistant materials.
I'm sure the people in California love living in the forest, but it comes with a risk.
Brian
 

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Al Gore, the leading driver of the modern global warming scare, got it backwards; CO[SUB]2 [/SUB] is responsible for global cooling, not global warming. But that’s no surprise, poor Al flunked every math and science course he ever took.

The primary resonance of CO[SUB]2 [/SUB]molecules occurs in the wavelengths of incoming solar radiation, reflecting part of solar radiation back into space.

Thank heavens for water vapor, its molecules resonate in the longer IR wavelengths, serving as a thermal blanket and preventing catastrophic cooling of the Earth.

Without water vapor, the Earth would be a frozen lump. (or could I have it backwards?)
 

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C. Beaty;n1140079 said:
California’s Governor Moonbeam blames the fires on Trump.
Trump blames it on "poor forest management" in this tweet:

There is no reason for these massive, deadly and costly forest fires in California except that forest management is so poor. Billions of dollars are given each year, with so many lives lost, all because of gross mismanagement of the forests. Remedy now, or no more Fed payments!

That's pretty bold, given that the majority of the forests in California are managed by Trump's own Federal Government (Forest Service, BLM, etc.) while the state manages only about 3% of California's forests, and the state spends hundreds of millions of its own budget each year on prevention and fire-fighting.

That is also pretty bizarre, in that the current fires are not even forest fires; they're at the urban edges, and roaring through towns, not through the forests.
 

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There was a prolonged hot, dry period during the 1930s when CA fires were just as intense but the population was 1/7 of today’s; meaning 7 times the numbers of structures and people presently exposed to the danger.

Same with FL hurricane damage; today’s population is 10x greater than in the 1930s.
 

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I'm sure that has something to do with the development since the 1930s of practical and affordable air conditioning. I'd bet Florida would be much less popular (and Arizona would be nearly empty) without it. Washington, D.C. used to be uninhabitable in the hot months, and Congress always took the summer off; but now they can mess things up for us the whole year round.
 

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We Florida rednecks somehow survived without either air conditioning or central heating systems.

Those who could afford it had either beach cottages or summer places in the mountains around Asheville, NC.
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I can remember driving across the desert Southwest in an age before inexpensive air conditioning and seeing all the evaporative coolers, both in cars and retail businesses.

These things cooled, but at the cost of high humidity; it seemed just like home.
 

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I understand that the report below had been prepared before all the disasters mentioned in this thread took place. Warnings have been issued aplenty, so those who have eyes to see can take action. Those who prefer to bury their heads deep in the sand wont. Unfortunately all will pay the price that comes with climate change.
...the damage will knock as much as 10 percent off the size of the American economy by century’s end.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/23/c...te-report.html


[h=3]We’re all in mourning[/h] ...... Some of us are mourning homes already lost to fires or flood, or savings accounts wiped out helping relatives recover from hurricanes.....
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/23/climate/us-climate-report.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/23/climate/us-climate-report.html


from here:
https://www.vox.com/first-person/2018/10/11/17963772/climate-change-global-warming-natural-disasters
 
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