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Bambino Spicola . . .Natural Law is more to my side than yours . . .it is a tough law . . .not for the faint of heart.
WE are talking about the so called civilized world.
I never took no one´s job, but helped some companies to get by.
Have seen firts hand my boss curse the Americans (Afro) he had hired and sore never hide one again. It was Monday and we were all there, Jamaicans, Haitians, Brazucas, Central Americans galore . . .the hommies were hangover or in jail in a crack stupor . . .
It is not the way you think and the midia portrays it . . .been there done that!
Been a regular at Border Patrol gave me inside info on how this thing is ran . . .
You are been robbed, cheated on, taken for a ride . . .panis et circensis this is what it is.
Heron
 
Wow, that video just about ruined my day!

I fear that the war is already lost. Our country is not even supposed to be a democracy, it is a republic.

Until our country and government realizes that it cannot buy friends, we are screwed.

I have traveled many places and realize that the truth is clear -- the poor and 'rights based' people of this world will always take a handout, but hate the hander outer for having it in the first place to give it away.

I think that is why the story of Christ puts him as poor and born in a manger. Even God knows how people are envious jealous and just want someone to take care of their whining.

Don't ask me how I really feel...
 
What is this thing with Republic and Democracy? Can´t figure it out . . .
The Christ Jesus was born poor to appeal to the masses and he was made to be from noble line to gain the upper class . . .classic!
Measure your nation Freebird, it is not a small thing by all means . . .
Look back at others that were at some point part of the top nations, they were left alone after filling their purpose.
Everytime for a shorter period of glowing at the top of the tree!
If some kind of disaster does not put a big dent in the USA, it will remain on top for long time to come, maybe for my grandkid Thomas Jeffrey (hey, isn´t that a presidential name?) the numbers are there, just add them up!
Heron
 
It's hard for me to understand the liberal understanding of economics and how reverting to Socialism when all the countries that have tried it have wrecked there country's chance at prosperity and are all changing from Socialism and communism to capitalization.

I wish one of you would straiten me out, because I'm missing the example of the country where it was ever helped produce prosperity for its citizens.
It's hard for me to believe anyone can buy this after capitalism has beaten them over the last 50 years into changing their systems to join us in an effort to compete.

So you feel that taxing the rich will encourage them to work 20 hour days to build a new business where much or most of the reward will go to their fellow man?
There are several famous experiments that prove human/animal nature that show conclusively that Socialism won’t work.

If you take two monkeys, put them in two different cages and train them to push a button on one side of their cage to receive food in a dispenser on the other side of the cage.
They will learn to push it often to feed themselves and they all will get fat.

But if you put both monkeys in the same cage after training, they will both starve to death because every time one of them pushes the button the other monkey get the reward of his labor and eats the food.
They will both starve to death before they will do the work to feed the other.

They never have learned to share the labor equally and feed both of them.

Same with people, they wont' start business just to take a chance and lose everything. It's just not worth taking the chance that the liberal are going to take most of the rewards of their hard work. Why bother?

You will force the hardest working and most productive monkeys to leave America and find a cage where you push the button and receive the most benefits for themselves.
It's not bad it's just human/animal nature, and no one can fight it or change it. America has mostly help encourage capitalism until now.

Until robots, do all the work emptying the trash and doing the surgery and we humans don't have to work but just think of new products, services, restaurants, etc for our robots to make for us. Socialism will never work. It never has and never will.
 
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Nations that grow too much tend to canibalize others, it has happened in the past, also some regurgitated what they had swallowed . . .
Taking from rich to give to poor is usually called taxes, down here goes as high as 65% and the end receivers got less than 10% of it, it is called corruption.
Lots of this money went abroad, making some small nations very rich, lots of the gold extracted from here are sitting in other shelves.
He who owns the gold rules . . . .
Heron
 
Sir your ignorance shouldn't even deserve answer. Let's put it this way. Everything is wrong with socialism. I know it first hand. I grew up in it. Sons and daughters report parents to government (because of fear) who are thinking differently. Neighbors report neighbors to the (toll free number no questions asked and no proof needed) taxation bureau about additions to houses or backyards. Teachers report students to internal secret services in case of students questioning or opposing the curriculum purposely falsely written. Twisted in a way whereof everything has a left slant to it. History was falsely written and the ideology was forced up on us. And you ask what is wrong with it? Have you ever gotten home from school and you had the secret service sitting in your house with your parents gathered at the kitchen table trying to prove them that they were good communists and their child is only a fifth grader and can't mean much harm? Have you? Have you ever gotten the crap beaten out of you because you wanted to go see a movie with your friends and there happened to be more than 25 of you? Has the police ever shot you point blank close range with rubber bullets on a national holiday because you were 6 feet and over 230 lbs and they felt you were a threat? Or have the police shoot at you with tear gas canisters aiming for your head and laughing at the ones they had managed to hit knowing there is absolutely nothing that can happen to them? What's wrong with socialism? Show me one country where it has managed to survive!!! One! Just one! And let's compare the living conditions and the taxes they pay. Go right ahead name one friggin country. Ok I just blew a gasket I'd better get off this thing this is too personal for me............
God help us!:rant:
ps: white house is asking people report so called "fishy" anti health care reform E-mails and blogs to: [email protected] ...........whatchacallthis?????



One must be able to differentiate socialisms vs communisms (Hungary and other eastern block countries had the most repressive type of communisms) but I’m talking about Socialism, as envisioned by Marx and Engels was, ideally, where everyone would share the benefits of industrialization (not so in our the current system). Socialism is liberal; more people (preferably everyone) have some say in how the economy works. Communism is conservative, fewer and fewer people ,preferably just one boss have any say in how the economy works, republicans are conservative and our democracy as it is now will only lead socialism and it must to survive our way of democracy
 
Terry, you're cluelessly spouting garbage from Fixed news. Capitalist greed got this country into the current cesspool! That idiot from Texas and his henchmen helped!

Chopperman, you're not talking about socialism: you're talking about commies who CALL themselves socialists. In this country, Bush and his crime family suspended a lot of our rights and protections. Try to get it straight. Are you one of the Miami rich cubanos?
 
President wants to socialize medicine, has nationalized parts of the auto and banking industry....

For 37 years I worked 6-7 days a week while a bunch of lazy nae do wells got to live for free off the money they took from me So I worked yet more overtime to get ahead, so the Democrats could increase taxes to take yet more of what I made and give it to those that do not want to work for a living and think it is beneath their dignity to do so......

Any society that rewards people for doing nothing will self destruct eventually, work hard for what you want, let the people keep it, that and than alone inspires them to want and work for more...

Let those that do not want to work stay home and go hungry, let them live the dark and get as cold as I did on those days I went to work outside in the sub freezing weather, but as long as you feed them, give them free medical, and a free place to live they have no reason to get out and better them self and become a contributor to society instead of a drain...

Send the illegals home there is a heap of jobs out there just begging for a body, sometimes you have to swallow your pride and go take a low paying grunt work, dirty job first, use it to get some skill set, then use that to better yourself. I did and so did a bunch of you....

Make the morons that did that video get as active at getting a job and contrubuting to society and not just thinking they can make a free ride for themself...

Am I cruel no just practical, we take care of our elderly and handicapped, they at least have an excuse and most of the elderly worked hard nasty dirty jobs with our any benefits, the handicapped want to work and get out, and they deserve any assistance they get, but you you are healthy, there is no good reason you can not and should not support yourself...


Here is your answear

http://www.naturalnews.com/019321.html
 
. Are you one of the Miami rich cubanos?
What if I am? Would that bother you? Why? Richness is evil? Never had achieved anything in your life because those filthy rich people? Hmmmmm you sound bitter. OK one more time. Democracy sucks. I don't want any of the dumb masses have a say in how things are run in this country. As a matter of fact if it was up to me, anyone who is not a successful figure wouldn't have a right to even vote. Let me lay out my profoundly logical theory for both of yah dear sociolovers. You only talk about something that has never been implemented due to impossibility of complete evenness. Marx and Engels had called for it in the Communist manifesto. Don't argue it I had to study the damn thing in order to be able to get a friggin teacher's diploma. I emphasize I was forced to learn it. And later on in the army we had constant brain washing through the time I had served. (Drafted not volunteered) Another beauty of Socialism. Forcing your children to serve. I am sure you both would be ecstatic about it. Last I have heard Liberals love wars don't they? So back to my point. If you are a faliure in life, you can't vote. You have no right to even express an opinion about anything until you have proven that your basic duty of taking care of yourself is being fulfilled. Now as a successful person according to your success you would get a number of votes ensuring that since you are already proving your decision mechanism is working properly so your vote would be appropriate ensuring the votes on important matters. Poverty is a mental illness. And I am sorry that I don't want to be equal with neither of yah. Just wouldn't feel right. So until you have tried or experienced Socialism just hush. You have no idea what you are talking about. By the way. There is no such thing as pure Socialism while people are in charge of other people. Still that Texas guy had us living a pretty good life for his 8 years in office. I didn't agree with a lot of things. But you know what? I'd take that guy over this one in a heart beat.
Sincerely
Your rich cubano LMAO
 
Gabor my friend once again you have taken the words right out of my mouth!:first:
Greg my friend! I am sorry I just get so irritated with the dumb masses (read it as one word :) ) They have no idea what the hell they are asking for. Never lived in the society and they think they could make it work although it had miserably failed around the whole friggin world. It had destroyed great economies like France, Germany, the whole Scandinavian peninsula ,the Soviet union and the Eastern European countries all together. Now these smart ones here wanna bet they can make it work. No thanks! Greg I got to go see you guys some day in Wauchula some day. When I get the Bee flying I'll tow her down and we can go and poke holes in the sky together ok?
 
Well, I don't disagree with your take on Communism, and Socialism CAN lead to it. I don't much care for either. My question was more engendered by what looked like your use of the lack of freedoms in Eastern Block nations as examples of a reason to avoid Socialism. Those countries are, or at least were, Communist, not Socialist. France & Italy, for instance, are Socialist, or at least largely so, and while I don't prefer Socialism, I will say that those countries are not the Police States that the Eastern Block countries are, or were.
Yes you are right about that. Not all Socialist countries had an iron fist ruling technic. Although they are similar in thinking of ways of controlling the opposition. Socialism is always suppressive. One way or another. They make people rely on them in large extend and that ensures their reelection. They treat private sector as a piggy bank. Demonize them but use them as a bottomless money safe. It is quite interesting how these Marxists are thinking when they are spending someone else's money. Never had to invest, risk, or for that matter earn it. So they figure if you are capable of earning it, you are not capable of deciding what the best way is to spend it! Quite arrogant attitude isn't it? They always know better what is good for you. I love the notion behind this superiority mindset of theirs. Marx and Engels. A beautiful perfect world......... in their eyes!!! :) I am glad you don't sympathize with Socialism. It i sooooooooo last century stuff anyways :)
Cheers
 
What if I am? Would that bother you? Why? Richness is evil? Never had achieved anything in your life because those filthy rich people? Hmmmmm you sound bitter. OK one more time. Democracy sucks. I don't want any of the dumb masses have a say in how things are run in this country. As a matter of fact if it was up to me, anyone who is not a successful figure wouldn't have a right to even vote. Let me lay out my profoundly logical theory for both of yah dear sociolovers. You only talk about something that has never been implemented due to impossibility of complete evenness. Marx and Engels had called for it in the Communist manifesto. Don't argue it I had to study the damn thing in order to be able to get a friggin teacher's diploma. I emphasize I was forced to learn it. And later on in the army we had constant brain washing through the time I had served. (Drafted not volunteered) Another beauty of Socialism. Forcing your children to serve. I am sure you both would be ecstatic about it. Last I have heard Liberals love wars don't they? So back to my point. If you are a faliure in life, you can't vote. You have no right to even express an opinion about anything until you have proven that your basic duty of taking care of yourself is being fulfilled. Now as a successful person according to your success you would get a number of votes ensuring that since you are already proving your decision mechanism is working properly so your vote would be appropriate ensuring the votes on important matters. Poverty is a mental illness. And I am sorry that I don't want to be equal with neither of yah. Just wouldn't feel right. So until you have tried or experienced Socialism just hush. You have no idea what you are talking about. By the way. There is no such thing as pure Socialism while people are in charge of other people. Still that Texas guy had us living a pretty good life for his 8 years in office. I didn't agree with a lot of things. But you know what? I'd take that guy over this one in a heart beat.
Sincerely
Your rich cubano LMAO

Socialism is not a political system, it's a way of distributing goods and services
 
Socialism is not a political system, it's a way of distributing goods and services
In your twisted mind Sir! It is redistributing what others have earned!!!! Who the hell are you people taking away my goods to give it to the "LESS FORTUNATE"??? Where do you get your guts to even thinking about taking away something that does not belong to you and "distribute" it? If there were no consequences of my action would you dare to come to my house and try to take anything oout of my house and give it to others? Do you think you'd survive it? Ohhh I see it is ok to use the police power of the government to do it right? It is perfectly fine. If I don't pay I get busted by IRS. Sooooo let's see if I understand you properly. I work hard every friggin day. I invest in my future. I take risks to go into business. And when I make profit you Sir will send the legal force of this country to take away what I have earned and distribute it??????? You are SICK!:der:
 
One must be able to differentiate socialisms vs communisms (Hungary and other eastern block countries had the most repressive type of communisms) but I’m talking about Socialism, as envisioned by Marx and Engels was, ideally, where everyone would share the benefits of industrialization (not so in our the current system). Socialism is liberal; more people (preferably everyone) have some say in how the economy works. Communism is conservative, fewer and fewer people ,preferably just one boss have any say in how the economy works, republicans are conservative and our democracy as it is now will only lead socialism and it must to survive our way of democracy
Wrong Hungary was officially called as Hungarian Socialist Folk's Republic. Word by word. Not Communist Republic. If Socialism liberal, Communism is über liberal. There is no conservationism in neither one. Couldn't be. Completely opposite to the ideology. Not only we had hundreds of thousands running the country (running it all the way down into ruins) but the very fact that everyone had a say in how to run it made it catastrophic. The pig farmer had a say in how many missiles we should buy and where to base them, while the uneducated dropped out after 2nd grade gypsy had a saying in if we should fill the oil reserves....... Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Please tell me that you can see just how much democracy sucks and idiotically dangerous it is. I am just hoping that your way of thinking never really gets even a voice in this country. This country has become the greatest and the most desirable by all in this world because of our way of life which includes rejecting failed European policies. I don't think we should start to implement them now!?
 
Terry, you're cluelessly spouting garbage from Fixed news. Capitalist greed got this country into the current cesspool! That idiot from Texas and his henchmen helped!

Chopperman, you're not talking about socialism: you're talking about commies who CALL themselves socialists. In this country, Bush and his crime family suspended a lot of our rights and protections. Try to get it straight. Are you one of the Miami rich cubanos?

Digbar, socialism is capitalist greed. I do not watch "fixed" news. I have spent most of my adult life studying man's history and religions, and I come up with all my data on my own from State and Federal publications.

The current economic disaster was not George Bush's doing nor attributable to the War in Iraq; it is directly traceable to the Democrat refusal to allow home mortgage regulation; and traceable to conservatives who work for their income pulling their money from the economy; first, in the 2004 election cycle from which we recovered; second, in the 2006 election cycle from which we flattened, and finally in the 2008 election cycle from which we have not recovered.

George socialist Soros/Schwartz spent millions to discredit Bush's financial recovery, and he sold just before things folded, making Billions of Dollars profit on our pain. Now, he's at it again. And General Electric, owners of MSNBC and NBC, who also expend all their energy trashing George Bush and freedom, and one of the largest military/industrial corporations on the planet, received $139 Billion Dollars in bailout money from Obama's regime and are now heavily investing on our poverty and pain in healthcare futures.

I just tell it like it is digbar, socialism is capitalist greed, and the Democrats in Congress have promised their handlers they will subdue the nation. These people are fomenting these actions for one reason only, and that is to sew-up the planet into a manageable, profitable factory.
 
In your twisted mind Sir! It is redistributing what others have earned!!!! Who the hell are you people taking away my goods to give it to the "LESS FORTUNATE"??? Where do you get your guts to even thinking about taking away something that does not belong to you and "distribute" it? If there were no consequences of my action would you dare to come to my house and try to take anything oout of my house and give it to others? Do you think you'd survive it? Ohhh I see it is ok to use the police power of the government to do it right? It is perfectly fine. If I don't pay I get busted by IRS. Sooooo let's see if I understand you properly. I work hard every friggin day. I invest in my future. I take risks to go into business. And when I make profit you Sir will send the legal force of this country to take away what I have earned and distribute it??????? You are SICK!:der:


First of all, in my view socialism and communism are not the same. For instance, in a communist society nobody would have property rights, whereas this is not the case with socialism. This is a big difference since property rights are an important part of a capitalist system. For me socialism means that the people who make relatively more money pay relatively more taxes, to put it simply, and thus socialism is about achieving more equality. Your statement that under socialism people ‘just get money handed to them’ or taking your household, is not true, since the revenue that governments get from taxes is not given directly to people with less money to spend on whatever they feel like, Instead, it is given as a subsidy to help people pay for their health insurance, their kids’ education, etc .A degree of socialism is therefore needed now in our country to create a society where people have an equal chance to become successful.
 
Wrong Hungary was officially called as Hungarian Socialist Folk's Republic. Word by word. Not Communist Republic. If Socialism liberal, Communism is über liberal. There is no conservationism in neither one. Couldn't be. Completely opposite to the ideology. Not only we had hundreds of thousands running the country (running it all the way down into ruins) but the very fact that everyone had a say in how to run it made it catastrophic. The pig farmer had a say in how many missiles we should buy and where to base them, while the uneducated dropped out after 2nd grade gypsy had a saying in if we should fill the oil reserves....... Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Please tell me that you can see just how much democracy sucks and idiotically dangerous it is. I am just hoping that your way of thinking never really gets even a voice in this country. This country has become the greatest and the most desirable by all in this world because of our way of life which includes rejecting failed European policies. I don't think we should start to implement them now!?



Perhaps you would like to check this history of your country The Hungarian Soviet Republic or Soviet Republic of Hungary (Magyarországi Tanácsköztársaság) just after the October revolution, plese see this URL before your get confused about the real facts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_Soviet_Republic
 
Digbar, socialism is capitalist greed. I do not watch "fixed" news. I have spent most of my adult life studying man's history and religions, and I come up with all my data on my own from State and Federal publications.

The current economic disaster was not George Bush's doing nor attributable to the War in Iraq; it is directly traceable to the Democrat refusal to allow home mortgage regulation; and traceable to conservatives who work for their income pulling their money from the economy; first, in the 2004 election cycle from which we recovered; second, in the 2006 election cycle from which we flattened, and finally in the 2008 election cycle from which we have not recovered.

George socialist Soros/Schwartz spent millions to discredit Bush's financial recovery, and he sold just before things folded, making Billions of Dollars profit on our pain. Now, he's at it again. And General Electric, owners of MSNBC and NBC, who also expend all their energy trashing George Bush and freedom, and one of the largest military/industrial corporations on the planet, received $139 Billion Dollars in bailout money from Obama's regime and are now heavily investing on our poverty and pain in healthcare futures.

I just tell it like it is digbar, socialism is capitalist greed, and the Democrats in Congress have promised their handlers they will subdue the nation. These people are fomenting these actions for one reason only, and that is to sew-up the planet into a manageable, profitable factory.

I have to concur with digbar, you are totally erroneous with your assumptions.
 
Perhaps you would like to check this history of your country The Hungarian Soviet Republic or Soviet Republic of Hungary (Magyarországi Tanácsköztársaság) just after the October revolution, plese see this URL before your get confused about the real facts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_Soviet_Republic
Check it again please.
- Established March 23, 1919
- Downfall August 6, 1919 Makes it 5 month success WOW!!!!
The big Hungarian revolution in 56 almost 40 years later happened. Your facts are messed up a bit. Trust me I know my history. in 57 Hungary became Hungarian Socialist Folk's Republic under the Socialist leader and dictator János Kádár (I hope he is rotting in hell). Lasted till 1989 when they changed the name to only Hungarian Folk's Republic taking the Socialist OUT! Read it it clearly says SOCIALISM not CMMUNISM! This is factual and by no means Wikipedia stuf that can be edited and written by anyone. They are still rewriting history to fit their agenda. http://books.google.com/books?id=LCGHMrcKesQC&pg=PA2&lpg=PA2&dq=socialism+in+Hungary&source=bl&ots=lm1oMcSCa-&sig=JijoEkKiWJJUpy7U68uLgGl9FFI&hl=en&ei=M72BSpzUN9W3tweXq-nKCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1#v=onepage&q=&f=false
But you haven't addressed my question. Instead of trying to point out what I don't know about my own history, would you explain to all of us here how is it ok for you to use the governments policing power to take away from the ones who earn and distribute it to the ones who don't? One more time! I am asking you. Would you dare to walk into my home and take things from me? Do you think you'd live longer than 20 seconds and not end up with 7 hollow point ACP .45 bullets in the middle of your forehead if you did that? So if you don't think it is possible to do that, why is it ok to use the government to do the same thing? Explain please!!!! Don't divert the facts to some stupid history that no one cares about. I don't want their health care because it sucked. How many of your friends with cancer going to Hungary for treatment? NAME ONE!!! I beg you name one! I don't want the government educate my child either because the institutions are filled with your kind! Poisoning and forcing this insane ideology in young people who are still quite naive. I am sick of you trying to force something down on our throats that you don't have a clue of. Please don't insult my intelligence by questioning my experience with socialism. One last time I will spell it out. I GREW UP IN IT! Ok? Clear on it? And no I was not born in 1919. Man. The government can only take from producers and give it to non producers. Very simple concept. And during REDISTRIBUTION every one that is affiliated with the socialist leadership gets their own part of the money. In very short period of time, nobody seems to work and everybody seems to get paid. How you ask? Borrowing money. By 78 Hungary was soooooo deep in dept they had to sell everything to outside companies in order to stay afloat. They own nothing anymore in that country. Lost identity and lost hope. Please tell me again why is socialism good for anyone? How is it benefiting anyone besides the bunch of losers that have no drive to become or achieve anything anyways. We call them professional parasites. Great for them, Not for the working guy that gets up every morning and goes to work and has a second job and helps out on the weekends to friends to just help them out. I am not the confused one here. You are spewing words out without having any experience of the meaning of them. You have read them in books or websites telling how great it would be. The authors of those words are building their whole life on people like you to parrot those words back with great passion to make it sound good. This is not going to work this time around. Too many of the educated and willing to fight out there nowadays. So since I went from a rich Cubano to a dumb ex Hungarian who doesn't know his own history, I challenge you to not bombard my personality argue the FACTS! I am providing first hand experience against your written in books ideology that has never been implemented successfully. Famous quote" From everyone according to their capability to everyone according to their needs"..... It says it all buddy. Long live Karl and Friedrich huh?
OK I am out. Can't fix stupid.
Cheers
 
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Not assumption

Not assumption

I have to concur with digbar, you are totally erroneous with your assumptions.

Not assumption Fritz, documentable fact.

Fritz, there's no way to tax the rich to obtain social justice. Taxing the rich only secures their lordship as they simply pass the cost onto the poor in higher prices for goods and services and rents.

When you tax the wealthy to give to the poor, you crush the honest working man in the middle because everything costs him more and his wages are driven down. Socialism destroys the middle while the rich stay rich and the lazy are coddled.
 
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