can I put a starter on a subaru

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any one out there know how it is done?
 
I think you can only take one off, but I don't think you can put one on. :)

Seriously, didn't it come with one? How or why did it get removed? Do you have an engine, or did you just assume they don't come with starters?
 
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Tina has a subaro motor without a redrive, and she wants to put a starter on it. is it possible?
 
Tina machine has a Subaru EA-81. Yes it is possible, but be aware that your adding more weight to the gyro which will hurt performance. I personally would not put one on it if it were my gyro. Learn to prop start it correctly and it isn't too hard to do.

I would contact Don Parham from the forum here for info on where to buy a starter set up for the engine.
 
Thanks Ron for the info

I weigh 60lbs less than the builder Jan Rehler how much does an electric start weigh it can't be that much.
I hate to hand start the prop its hard and scary.
 
if the EA-81 has the flywheel on it still it should be a simple method of bolting a starter up to it... if the fly wheel has been removed then a starter Ring gear from an automatic transmition could be used which are alot lighter than the original flywheel
(the prop should take the place of the flywheel )
I do think I would make a support plate out of alum to re-inforce the ring gear for striength though .

adding a battery, shargeing system ,starter and electrical system all adds up in weight though .... but you can do it and keep the weight at a reasonable amount ... chances are you already have 3/4 of the stuff needed for the starter system .

I have no idea what your dealing with so use your own judgement
I'm certainly not an expert on the subject ... I just own a Subaru Turbo EA-81 4x4 sedan ... its a long way from a flying machine <GRIN>

my 2 coppers !

Bob.......
 
I get it now. I'm so used to redrives, I assumed you had to have a starter and couldn't figure why one would be missing.
 
leave the starter off. I'm sure there would always be some guy around would who would be more than happy to hand crank it after she got strapped in. Safer too.
 
On a direct-drive EA-81, the bell housing is cut off and a prop hub is bolted directly to the crankshaft.

A ring gear/flywheel would have to be mounted between the prop and hub, and some type of mount for the starter would have to be made.

I have seen pictures of the starter mounted on top of the engine, but I don't remember if a custom intake manifold is required to clear the starter body.

Here's a picture of an EA-81 with starter, that I saw at the Waxahatchie fly-in in 2002. Note the custom intake manifold.
 

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Tina, if you bring it to Bensen Days or ROC, I will personally "Turn you on", I mean "Start your motor," I mean, "Crank you up," Damn! "Prop off your gyro."....:D You know what I mean.

If not me, I'm sure Ron or somebody will. But like Ron said, once you get the hang of it, it's not hard or even scary.....For some reason, props don't need to be thrown with alot of force. Once you get your gyro secured by chocks or people, You just flip it a few times with the switch off and with some throttle. They reduce your throttle, switch on, and flip. It will iether start or not.

I'm sure someone at the iether fly-in can teach you the correct method of "Hand Starting" and provide you with supervision throughout the process. I think you'll find thats it's not bad, and I kinda thought it was fun.

BTW, if after you try "Hand Starting" for a little while, you still don't like it or the idea, you can always add a starter. But before you through the "Brain damage" of adding one, I'd give the hand start a try first (under supervision of course).


Good Luck

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Neat idea Scott, but how much do those weight and would it have the grunt to turn over a big engine like a soob?

Plus what kind of battery would you need to run one?
 
I will keep it off for now

I will keep it off for now

:D Thanks guys for your input. I think I will keep it the way it is for now and have it hand started for me and also learn how to do it and not be so scared.

Dave started this theard for me, THANK YOU DAVE!!! again this forum is the greatest.

;) John your so funny I never laughed so hard. Where is ROC and when is it held? I don't think I will be able to attend BD days this year.
 
Tina, here's my bit of advice, put a re drive eg a Rotax C box on your gyro and you will enjoy flying so much more. The extra thrust you will get will make the effort of hand propping the EA 81 so much more worthwhile. If you found the right shop to do a re drive, they could probably put a starter on as well.

Do you have an electric pre rotator ?

My first gyro was a hand start everything and despite being scared of the prop, once shown how to prop it, I had absolutely no problems.
 
Chopper Reid said:
Tina, here's my bit of advice, put a re drive eg a Rotax C box on your gyro and you will enjoy flying so much more. The extra thrust you will get will make the effort of hand propping the EA 81 so much more worthwhile. If you found the right shop to do a re drive, they could probably put a starter on as well.

Do you have an electric pre rotator ?

Hi Brian,
I will look into that, I will be taking my gyro to a guy here soon and talk with him about my wish list and I will bring this up about a re-drive.

Yes, I do have a electric pre rotator.
 
Brian didn't mention that in order to install a redrive - a 1500-4000 dollar upgrade - you also need a longer prop - a 500-1000 dollar upgrade - and you also need to raise the engine and mount higher up on the gyro to swing this longer prop, plus you need a taller mast, and you need to raise the seat, rebuild a taller tail, etc.... etc..... etc....

In other words you might as well buy another gyro before installing a redrive.

Tina, handstarting IS very dangerous. Several people have been hurt or killed while handstarting. It is extremely important that you know EXACTLY what to do to start the engine to keep from hurting yourself or others. It is just as important for others who may help you start it to know the same stuff.

It isn't hard to hand start and isn't hard to do safely. If you have doubts then yes PLEASE install a starter, the performance of your gyro will be degraded due to the additional weight but it should still fly ok.

I will be glad to go over with you on the phone all the details of what to do. PM me your phone number and I will call you in the evening sometime. As much as it seems I like to type, it is too much to type out.
 
Starter for subaru

Starter for subaru

Hi
I think, that as subaru, it only with starter.
Janusz
 

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