Bee Different For Sale

If only

If only

I would jump on this deal in a heartbeat if there were any hope in Hades that I could get it by my accountant (Wife) plus the fact I am a little far away to run over and pick it up (Alaska)

I have one question though... Have you weighed it ? Would this machine make part 103 ? It may be a concern to some potential buyers.
 
Economics...

Economics...

Most guys think they can build something for parts and do not include the time required in the true cost of something.

Brent had a hard time selling a nice clt machine that only needed a pilot and a prerotator. the paint was not the best but its a gyro, not a flying limo. Show machines are nice but they dont fly any better than the others....

BTW, his gyro was half the price of yours so dont feel so bad.

J
 
Hello Dan,

No, I didn’t attempt to go Ultralight, note N-number. I wanted a standard prerotator and a 503. I haven't weighed it, but it's very similar to a Bee like John Landry's so should be in the same ballpark. I've had more than one person tell me that getting an N-number was technically the right thing to do, but perhaps naïve. Sounds like very few "ultralight" Gyro's actually weigh in at 254 lbs. Also sounds like no one ever has the weight of their gyro spot checked by the FAA. My reward for applying for an N-number was that the state tax man found out I purchased it from Ralph. :rant:

Hello Jonathan,

I may be misinterpreting the meaning of your email, but I take some exception to it. Please don’t brush this off as "a pretty gyro". I spent whatever time and money required (and a lot of John Mealey's time and talent, God bless him), in an effort to make meaningful things the best they could be. They are aluminum wheels because they're lighter. Dipole antenna instead of 1/4 wave because their isn't room for a proper ground plane to make a 1/4 wave effective. Custom made filler cap that provides positive fuel pressure. T-Tail to eliminate prop wash roll on take-off. After much consideration of building a tail, bought one of Ernie's as it's a proven design that will not fail in flight. Etc. Etc. John pounded into my head that if you're flying it, everything has got to be perfect. Holes are de-burred, corners are radiused, scratches in the aluminum are unacceptable, nuts and bolts are replaced and torqued to specification. Etc. If there is a perception that this is just a pretty plane, perhaps it is my own fault for advertising it as "your future show winner". I was trying to drum up interest with few words. Will it outperform all other Bees? Heck No. Was it designed and built considering aspects of safety, function and durability? Yes, and I believe that it will be a more reliable and enjoyable plane than one that was built on a tight budget and without access to a full machine shop with a talented owner. "You get what you pay for" holds true here. My apology if I've over-reacted to your post. I am disappointed this hasn’t sold yet, and I'm now contemplating selling off the various parts to get as much back out of it as possible. That would be sad. The upshot is I learned a lot through this whole project. :)

Sincere Best Regards,

Gene
 
I did my absolute best to sell your gyro to Joe Pires.... the fact it still needed a little more work to be completed was what mainly killed the deal.

If it is at all possible I would not part it out, and spend a weekend or two to get it finished and test flown and then it will sell for asking price plus some.

I would list it with color photos on Barnstomers and ultralighthomepage.com as well.

I would also contact the people at Starbee gyros and ask if they would sell it on consignment basis.

This group here is just to be blunt, a bunch of cheapskates and not many here aren't even able to afford to buy it, even if they wanted it. I have told everyone I have come in contact with who wants a gyro, that right now your gyro is the BEST bang for the buck period.... And I know your price is not firm, which makes it a even better deal. Good luck, please don't part out such a nice machine!!!
 
Hi Ron,

Thanks again for the positives.

I've had a few folks suggest that I should finish the plane and then it would sell. I think with a higher end kit that was a very standard configuration, this would be true. My reasons for not wanting to invest any more time or money into this are:

1) As you said, the folks in the market for this type/level of plane are not spendthrifts. I already have lot of time and money in it. While it would probably sell more quickly if done, I'm pretty doubtful I'd get 2 cents more for the additional time and expense. Now maybe if it's a question of the time and aggravation of de-assembling, packaging and shipping many parts VS finishing and selling one thing, the latter will be more satisfying.

2) As an almost done plane people have some options here that I thought they would find attractive. For example Doug is considering it, but might need more power given his size and the density altitude of where he flies. Or he might need a larger rotor. I'm willing to sell it less a few major components like the engine and rotor. The new owner can configure to meet their needs, and I doubt I'll have a problem selling a new 503 and new 23' DWs. Dan and others are interest in ultralight. A person like that might not want the Tall Tail, slider rotor head, and 503. All top notch things, but not what you use if staying near 254lbs is your goal. Why finish up controls to a slider head and accommodate the height of a Tall Tail if there might be a buyer out there that doesn’t want those things. These are all brand new items, and I doubt I'd have a hard time selling them.

So I'm pretty flexible here. This is a good airframe that's ready to go. I'll sell it alone and then sell any major components that don’t work for someone's specific needs. I won't sell the engine, rotor, tail etc first, as that leaves me with an even less complete plane and fewer options.

I'll look into ultralighthomepage.com. BTW: It has been listed on Barnstormers and the Starbee site since December. Barnstormers has brought interest from 4 people. One was guy who resells planes who offered me bottom dollar. Two wanted to trade. One (who has gyroplane experience) said he wants to buy it but must sell a hovercraft first. So I'm probably getting close to finding the right person. Anyone interested in a hovercraft? :)

Best Regards,

Gene
 
Good for you Gene !

For the last few days I have been trying to figure out how I could swing that deal.

I needed that 503 for my machine.

Of course , everything else was nice ,too !!!
 
Gene. Sorry to hear you are selling your gyro. You kinda disappeared off the local screen, but I was hoping you would pop up again with a gyro flying and you realizing your dream. If you see me in Kutztown or flying the area, flag me down or follow me to my destination. Introduce yourself and it's worth a ride in the Boyer Warrior anytime you want. Family should always come first. Raise kids near an airport.
 
you did...

you did...

I meant it to possible buyers of your craft, but thinking about it now, it applies to builders as well. Never underestimate the true cost in time and tears to get where you want to be. For once you have tasted flight......The shop floor is a cold and dark place to be sometimes......................................



Hello Jonathan,

I may be misinterpreting the meaning of your email, but I take some exception to it. Please don’t brush this off as "a pretty gyro". I spent whatever time and money required (and a lot of John Mealey's time and talent, God bless him), in an effort to make meaningful things the best they could be. They are aluminum wheels because they're lighter. Dipole antenna instead of 1/4 wave because their isn't room for a proper ground plane to make a 1/4 wave effective. Custom made filler cap that provides positive fuel pressure. T-Tail to eliminate prop wash roll on take-off. After much consideration of building a tail, bought one of Ernie's as it's a proven design that will not fail in flight. Etc. Etc. John pounded into my head that if you're flying it, everything has got to be perfect. Holes are de-burred, corners are radiused, scratches in the aluminum are unacceptable, nuts and bolts are replaced and torqued to specification. Etc. If there is a perception that this is just a pretty plane, perhaps it is my own fault for advertising it as "your future show winner". I was trying to drum up interest with few words. Will it outperform all other Bees? Heck No. Was it designed and built considering aspects of safety, function and durability? Yes, and I believe that it will be a more reliable and enjoyable plane than one that was built on a tight budget and without access to a full machine shop with a talented owner. "You get what you pay for" holds true here. My apology if I've over-reacted to your post. I am disappointed this hasn’t sold yet, and I'm now contemplating selling off the various parts to get as much back out of it as possible. That would be sad. The upshot is I learned a lot through this whole project. :)

Sincere Best Regards,

Gene[/QUOTE]
 
Hi Folks,

In selling the Bee Different I had the good fortune to meet Noe Santamarina (wearing hat). What an incredibly nice person. He’s headed back down to warm FL with the Bee. Seemed to be a bit cold in PA for his liking. :D God bless him, and I hope he has nothing but good fortune and fun flying. Hope to meet up with him again in the future.

Hi Larry & Chris,

Family should always come first. Raise kids near an airport.
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Well, I love to build, so they’ll most likely be a next project. I’m already looking at some possibilities. Not sure what it will be, but it has to involve my kids in the building and the using.

Best Regards to All,

Gene
 

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Has anyone heard anything about this machine ,lately ?
 
Far as I know it is in his hangar in Florida and he still flys it. I did the test flights on it and it was hands down the best flying gyrobee I had ever flown.
 
Bee Different Photos

Bee Different Photos

The link to photos in the original Bee Different for sale post is now dead. I am curious to see photos of this aircraft since the workmanship sounds impeccable and there were interesting modifications, particularly the tall tail. Are there photos of this aircraft available anywhere?
 
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