Bee Different For Sale

GeneWeber

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For Sale: The Bee Different, N45575

NOTE: Flying is an inherently dangerous sport that can result in injury or death. The item for sale is an incomplete home built experimental aircraft being sold on an “as is” basis. There are no express, implied or other warranties specific to airworthiness or mechanical condition of this aircraft or any of its components. The purchaser of this aircraft assumes any and all personal and public liability that results from its use or operation.

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Hi Folks,

During this project I’ve sold parts that were replaced, and given people some good deals. Here is the final good deal, the whole project.

The Bee Different was Ralph Taggart’s Honey Bee, purchased from Ralph in May of 2003. The decision to do a major rebuild and register the plane experimental was made, and at this point there’s more new than original.

Engine, Prop & Prerotator:
  • Brand new Rotax 503DCDI with a 2.58:1 “B” gearbox box
  • All new engine mounting braces, bushings, hardware
  • Brand new muffler has been Jet-Hot coated and has a 90 deflector
  • All brand new throttle, cables and linkages
  • Brand new 60” three blade PowerFin prop with aluminum spinner
  • Wunderlich, brand new lower unit, used upper unit purchased from Ken Rehler, no flex shaft

Rotor Head, Blades & Control Stick:
  • Brand new RFD slider head with prerotator gear and brake
  • Brand new 23’ Dragon Wings and hub bar
  • Brand new Ken Brock control mechanism & stick

Instruments, Electrical System & Radio:
>> Everything listed here is brand new except where noted <<
  • Stratomaster Smart Single ALT-2 encoding altimeter Smart Single Info
  • Stratomaster Smart Single EMS-503 engine monitor
  • Stratomaster Smart Single RV-1 Rotor RPM gauge
  • 2 1/4" Air Core (270° Sweep) Electronic Fuel Quantity Indicator P/N 18-260-1F1
  • Hall air speed indicator
  • Used (like new) Garmin Pilot III GPS
  • Industrial grade Cherry gear tooth sensor (GS100102)
  • Kuntzleman SC103 strobe
  • Kunzleman Precision Power Supply (voltage regulator/battery charger)
  • Small (0.8AH) sealed 12v battery
(NOTE: I’m an EE and designed the simple electrical system after some research. I created a schematic diagram of the system. All wire is aircraft grade Tefzel of appropriate gauge. Attention was paid to proper grounding and shielding. Harness is neat and protected. Switches and fuses are Aircraft or Industrial grade)​
  • ICom A5 radio w/PTT switch (Set up electrical system so radio can be powered from it if desired)
  • ½ wave AIRKIT dipole antenna (I couldn’t see how to get a decent ground plane for a ¼ wave, so went with this. My expectation is that it should outperform ¼ wave set ups w/poor ground planes. Inside of instrument pod was sprayed with nickel and is grounded to shield it.)
  • I loved John Landry’s motorcycle helmet with earplugs and mic set up, so I purchased the components and built the same. My motorcycle helmet is not for sale as I purchased a 2002 Yamaha VStar Silverado 650 last fall. :)

Fuel System:
  • Brand new 5 gallon tank, with new level sender
  • Custom tank cap designed to provide positive pressure, and allow tank to be filled to the top
  • All brand new fuel lines, primer and filter

Suspension, Mains and Nose Wheel:
  • Replaced and reworked most of this to remove some weight from down low, and to address rumors of squirrelly Honeybee handling.
  • Heavy “motorcycle fork” nose wheel and pedals set up with conventional Gyrobee like nose wheel and pedals. It incorporates a Brock axle and wheel and a simple light weigh brake
  • Cut 3” off of each fiberglass main axle to shave some weigh. Main width is still 6’.
(The original design of the diagonal braces from the keel tube to the main axles had some undesirable built in play, and they weren’t adjustable. Also, they joined to the axle mid way in its span, which allowed some front and back flex of the axle. These axles are stiff and strong, so the amount of flexing was probably negligible, but I didn’t want any. The new diagonal braces have adjustable rod ends with no play. They run from the keel tube to the wheels, so the wheels can’t move front/back, but can still move up/down.
The wheels were Azuzalight and mounted with a bolt that also allowed some unwanted play. The wheels are now tubeless Hegar aluminum (slightly lighter due to no tube, and a lot better looking) and are properly mounted on custom axle inserts.)

Seat:
  • Raised 2” to raise the CoG
  • The padding has been replaced with 1” thick Confor foam

Tail:
  • Brand new Rotor Flight Dynamics tall tail
  • The tail has been mounted with top and bottom horizontal pivot points through small lengths of 1”x2” steel bar. This allows the AoA of the HS to be adjusted by loosening 4 bolts that hold the bottom mount assembly to the keel tube and sliding it front or back.

Hardware & Miscellaneous:
  • Every nut, bolt and washer on the plane has been replaced with brand new. They have been properly torqued and then marked with blue paint.
  • The rudder tube had holes from the original tail mount, and so has been replaced.
  • I purchased brand new aircraft seat belt and harness in blue to match the paint scheme.
  • The “lawnmower” tail wheel was replaced with a high quality urethane wheel that matches the color scheme.
  • The paint scheme by the way is yellow and metal flake blue. The main components were powder coated yellow. I painted new items with PPG acrylic automotive enamel. I still have paint and reducer, and the cans have the custom mix information.
  • Have some miscellaneous extra small parts, such as extra fuel filter, etc

So what’s left to do?
  • Make cheek plates to mount the rotor head. What’s on now is just temporary so that the tail mounting angles could be attached with extra length. Once you have the proper cheek plates in place, the tail mounting angles will need to be cut and drilled to mount at the desired location. Strobe light will also be mounted here. I left extra wire so you have some flexibility.
  • Mount and set up the rotorhead. This includes mounting the tope prerotator unit, buying the correct length flex shaft and hooking that up. You will want to incorporate a stop to engage the rotor brake at full front stick. You also will need to make up something to hold the gear tooth sensor in position.
  • The linkages from the Brock stick to the rotor head need to be finished. The plan was to use a “scissors” linkage. I purchased 8 Heim rod ends for this (not the cheap Arora ones) 8 custom threaded control tube inserts to connect the Heim ends into 3/4” id tube were fabricated. You will need to purchase the remaining items to make the middle “scissors” pivot, and make up the 4 tubes with the pre-made ends.
  • Needs rudder control cables. Since the length will change when you slide the bottom of the tail to change the AoA, you need to be clever here. I was going to make a cable with as much adjustment capability in it as possible set up to be in mid adjustment with about 2 degrees down AoA. If that guess didn’t pan out I’d have to make a new cable.
  • I replaced the pull start cord with longer cord and purchased an aircraft grade pulley (MS20220A2) to mount on the cheek plate so I could pull start while sitting in the seat. Chuck Irby’s fatal prop strike made me want this set up. You can complete this or change it back.
  • And of course you’ll need to fire up the engine adjust and sync the carbs, set up the prop, rotor and all that stuff.
  • You obviously need to go over the entire plane and double check things to make sure everything is done, complete and SAFE. For example the carburetors and prop bolts are not safety wired as I was planning to do this during engine and prop set up.

I’ve tried to give a thorough assessment here. If anything was overlooked it has been unintentional.

I have $10K invested plus a lot of time. The price is $10K. Buyer needs to pick it up from Emmaus PA.

I’d like to close by thanking the many people in the gyro community who gave advice, answered questions and generally supported me while working on this project. There were so many over a long period that I can’t name them all. Please forgive me for that. But thank you John Landry, Al Hammer, Chuck Beaty, Doug Riley, Chuck Roberg, Tom Milton and others.

And a very very special thanks goes to John Mealey. I would have given up on this project before it even really started without him. I learned a lot from John. He has a broad and deep knowledge of metal working, various fabrication and aircraft construction techniques. John is also a master craftsman. Things he makes aren’t simply done properly, they are precise perfect works of art. If you ever have the opportunity to purchase something from John, DO IT!

Best Regards,

Gene Weber

NOTE: Flying is an inherently dangerous sport that can result in injury or death. The item for sale is an incomplete home built experimental aircraft being sold on an “as is” basis. There are no express, implied or other warranties specific to airworthiness or mechanical condition of this aircraft or any of its components. The purchaser of this aircraft assumes any and all personal and public liability that results from its use or operation.
 
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My god! Gene, that's a work of art. Someone's going to be real happy with it. Good luck on your sale.

By the way, why didn't you finish & fly her?
 
Gene
Beautiful workmanship on the Bee!!!!
Were did you get your fuel cell?
I am trying to figure out a braking system on my front wheel like yours can you send me a closer photo of the front wheel?:D
Thanks
Brian Sherwood
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WOW !! That's a showpiece gyro! It will be a serious contender for a plaque at Mentone next year!
 
another dream lost ?

another dream lost ?

sorry to see you are selling your dream and giving up on gyros.

You know I went to an eaa fly in this past weekend and the ATP pilot told our chapter that he has lost 10 friends in his sport of fixed wing flying. about 1 every year and a half. The interesting thing was the error rate was that of gyros when it was all boiled down.

Jonathan
 
I am half tempted to buy this one just cause the deal is so good... My price figures may not be right, these are rough estimates but add it up

Engine = 4000$

Prop = 750$

Rotorblades = 1500$

Rotorhead = 750$

Pre rotator parts = 250$

Wheels = 250$

Instruments = 600$

Radio = 400$

Strobe = 150$

Dominator tall tail = 800$

Seat = 100$

Quicksilver fuel tank = 100$

Basic airframe materials = 500 to 1000$

So basically you get a nearly completed gyro that is built to perfection for the price of the parts alone - which I think would cost more than my estimate and my estimate does not include shipping costs which add up to a sizeable amount on a project this size.

I bought my sportcopter blades used from Gene and they came polished as good as new and packed better than the new set of sportcopter blades I bought a few years ago. The man is a perfectionist and so whoever buys this will be getting a machine that is perfect and that they do not have to have any worry or doubt about.
 
Pegleg...

Pegleg...

Ron, if you did the math for brents peg leg he could not give it away for parts, until I gave everyone here what for !!!

of course minus the custom paint job but then again a new gyro pilot does not need a brand new show paint job to possibly ding up. It looks like a beautiful ship but I dont know how many here have a cool 10g laying around.

Best of luck.

J
 
Thanks for the kind words. I know someone will really love this plane.

Sorry it took a while for me to answer your posts. That is the primary reason the plane is for sale. No time for this hobby. The thing in life I enjoy spending the most time on is my family. I’ve been blessed with a great wife and two wonderful children. My daughter is 14 and my son is 9, and they are both extremely active in sports right now and I do all of that with them. She is a pitcher on fastpitch softball teams, and was in a tournament this weekend, 3 games on Saturday and 3 on Sunday. He’s a baseball pitcher and catcher and his fall season starts this weekend.

Honestly, wanting to fly was a mid-life crisis, and I got over it. Don’t get me wrong, I became a PRA life member, find all of the technical aspects of gyroplanes and flying extremely interesting, and still have a desire to fly. But all of that is a distant second to spending time with my family while my kids are growing up and actually want me to do stuff with them :) Perhaps in 10 years or so when my son is in his late teens I may come back to this. Right now I’m thinking about building an RC gyroplane with him this winter.

Brian, John Mealey had purchased two fuel tanks a while back, and sold one to me when he found out I needed one. I will take some detailed photos of the brake this week and send them to you.

Regards,

Gene
 
Gene you have done beautiful work, sorry you don't have the time, I have been there as well. I hope that you will find time to come back to aviation at a later date.
 
The tank is similar to, if not identical to, the Quicksilver ultralight airplane's tank.

I think that's where Gyrotech used to get them.

Lovely machine Gene. I especially like the tall tail; just the thing for "lazy feet."
 
Wow! Talk about setting standard's and benchmarks!

Gene, this is going to be a hard act to follow. Hope to see you back later, when the kids have been taken care of, with a new project.
 
Gene, you sure did a great job with that gyro!

I admire that kind of devotion to your family ! I wished more people were like you.

Please come by & see us at Kutztown again ! I hope that someone locally buys your gyro !
 
Gene , is it sold or what ?
 
Wow..........

Wow..........

.......I am indeed jealous of that workmanship.:eek: A beautiful aircraft. There is just "something" about simple and beautifully made. :cool:

Aussie Paul.:)
 
Some Options

Some Options

Hi Folks,

While I was building the BeeDifferent I stuffed most of the receipts into a folder. I sat down and added up what I spent. Some things like hardware, that is distributed across many receipts, I just estimated. Here is the total WITHOUT the engine, gearbox or one single piece of aluminum or fiberglass.

$2,395.00 RFD 23' Dragon Wings & Tall Tail
$990.00 RFD Slider Head w/ring Gear & brake
$668.00 Stratomaster Smart Singles Gauges
$565.00 Powerfin 60" 3 blade prop
$416.75 KB Joystick & Rod Ends
$284.95 ICOM IC-A5 w/ power cable and PPT switch
$275.00 Used Garmin GPS III Pilot
$258.00 Wunderlich Lower Unit & Drive Drum
$252.97 Eight Magnafluxed Heim Bearings for control system
$235.00 Estimate for Kuntzleman Precision Power Supply, SC103 strobe, battery
$200.00 Estimate for Primer. Paints, Reducer, Hardner
$192.44 KB Nosewheel Assembly
$181.63 Hegar 4x6 Aluminum Main Wheels
$150.00 Estimate for Nuts, Bolts, Washers and misc hardware
$122.40 UMA Fuel Gauge
$117.00 Airkit Antenna
$100.00 Used Wunderlich Upper Unit
$100.00 Estimate Tefzel wire, switches, connectors, fuses, etc.
$97.97 CEP Military Communication Earplugs
$79.77 Royal Blue Aircraft Harness
$75.00 Fuel Tank
$71.88 Hegar 4" aluminum prop spinner
$59.10 Stainless Steel geartooth sensor & connectors
$45.60 Throttle
$45.50 Electret Microphone
$45.30 VDO Fuel Sender
$39.55 Barry Engine Mounts
$39.44 Decals
$37.16 Royal Blue Aircraft Seat Belt
$35.93 Aircraft Grade Aluminum pulley for overhead starter rope
$34.67 4x6 tires
$33.83 Fuel Line, fittings, clamps
$31.61 Blank Pod Faceplate & Edging
$30.69 Exhaust Mounting Strap
$30.00 Approximate amount of confor Foam used
$27.86 Carb Cables
$27.03 Hall Airspeed Indicator
$25.19 Fuel filter and extra element
$21.95 Carb Primer Kit
$18.85 Vinyl N Numbers
$11.44 Snubbing Washers
$10.95 Throttle Junction block
$8.24 Throttle cable
$8,488.65 Total Cost

As noted that DOES NOT include the engine, gearbox or one single piece of aluminum or fiberglass. So add the cost of a Star Bee Airframe only kit ($1,625) less the $150 I have for listed for hardware, that’s $9,963.65. And that still doesn’t include the engine and gearbox!

The BeeDifferent is still for sale for $10,000. I will also sell everything except the engine and gearbox for $6,500. This would allow someone who doesn’t have the $10K to finish it up this winter while saving up some cash and looking for an engine deal. Again, compare that to Star Bee’s “Bee Deal” kit for $6,995 which doesn’t include all the gauges, propeller, ICOM IC-A5, Garmin Pilot III GPS, and Antenna. Not to mention the little niceties like the Hegar wheels, prop spinner and the fact that it’s 95% complete! Finally if you don’t want/need the ICOM IC-A5, headset and Garmin Pilot III GPS, I’ll sell it less these (and the engine and gearbox) for $6,000.

If you want to be flying a Gyrobee this summer, this is a deal. Can you build one more cheaply? Perhaps, but it won’t be this nice. And, having gone through this, I can tell you from experience that unless you’re an experienced builder it will take you much longer than you think.

Best Regards,

Gene

And don’t forget that Gyrobee’s make great Christmas gifts. :D
 
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And to add to Genes post, this is the ONLY gyrobee with a tall tail and this alone makes this gyro a level above other gyrobees. And also worth mentioning is Gene is a PERFECTIONIST..... you will not find one corner cut, or anything less than 100 percent perfection on this gyro. It really is a good deal for someone looking for a brand new gyro set up.
 
Just Bumping it

Just Bumping it

Bump. I cant imagine someone who is considering a bee not jumping on this. I came very close this past weekend but decided that I really wanted one of Ernie's machines so I made that choice, but for value this thing rocks.
 
Still available. Please consider the value of just the parts alone. On top of that, someone who wants a Bee has the work 95% done. You can be flying a very nice plane this spring.

Best Regards,

Gene
 
This is a deal-and-a-half. Someone should jump on it.

Unfortunately, for-sales don't seem to do all that well on this Forum. Barnstormers, Ebay, Trade-a-Plane, etc. may have larger base of hungry buyers.
 
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