And they said it couldn’t be done..!?

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Magni with a Subaru EJ2.2 engine, looks like it can be done , just needs a bit of work and have a reliable engine on ones back, not so more confused….

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That must be one of those Jap-Talian jobs. :)

Actually I believe he is a Subaru conversion specialist and a gyro builder from Belgium. This proves to me that perhaps any Gyro with a bit of professional creative work can be successfully modified. Anything can be modified to make it better…
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Anything can be done; getting it to work well is another thing entirely.

It will be interesting to see how it performs. It doesn’t look like he moved the rotor head to compensate for all the extra weight out back.

It will move into another aircraft weight category now.

I wish him well in his testing.

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Right, but it looks like a Magni......anyhow, yes it can be done, and has been done by many in the past, there was no disputing that.....But is he going to manufazcture and sell that set up?
Wasn't that the original question? a production gyroplane with a subaru?
Thought we had all that straightened out until we found out Sportcopter II was not going to use the soob. :(
 

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Anything can be done; getting it to work well is another thing entirely.

It will be interesting to see how it performs. It doesn’t look like he moved the rotor head to compensate for all the extra weight out back.

It will move into another aircraft weight category now.

I wish him well in his testing.

Thank you, Vance

Yes, but I don’t thing for a minute he be taking a passenger without having tested the craft to his fullest, maybe he did shift the mast a few degrees hard to see it from the pic. But the whole point is that it can be done and that what matters. The Russian have a Gyro taking the pilot and 2 passengers (real fat ones) with a 6 Cylinder 220 HP Subaru engine…

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It is easier to prototype something than going with it in to production line.
Availability of items is key on choosing what to use.
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Right, but it looks like a Magni......anyhow, yes it can be done, and has been done by many in the past, there was no disputing that.....But is he going to manufazcture and sell that set up?
Wasn't that the original question? a production gyroplane with a subaru?
Thought we had all that straightened out until we found out Sportcopter II was not going to use the soob. :(

I believe the Sportcopter II is now fitted with a Lyncoming engine one would guess it could take a Subaru too but , the question was a production gyro capable of taking a Subaru engine, well, has been done and this is not to say it can be not done for example with the Sportcopter II or any by that matter and never entertained the idea of manufacturing it...

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It is easier to prototype something than going with it in to production line.
Availability of items is key on choosing what to use.
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Yes , one needs a prototype to start with, but let’s say one buys a Magni and modify it to take a Subaru, what is to say once all the technicality’s are stored some people would prefer it with a Subaru engine rather than with a Rotax. I could cheapen the sport (cost of a Rotax is just astronomical) without infringing on safety.. :D

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I believe the Sportcopter II is now fitted with a Lyncoming engine one would guess it could take a Subaru too but...

The SCII has been flying for two years with the Subaru 2.5, and was only recently refitted with the Lycoming IO360. Part of it was lack of a vendor for reliable Subaru conversions that met their advertised specs, but the big reason was market demand. When the machine was displayed at EAA AirVenture in 2007, the people with the resources to consider buying one saw the Subaru powerplant and suddenly were no longer interested.

If you have the tools and experience to blueprint a Subaru with the needed upgrades, there's no doubt you can create a reliable aircraft powerplant. But unless you're a homebuilder on a budget, there's no compelling reason to do so. Auto conversions will always have their reputation defined by the 90% that wind up with issues. Rotax, Lycoming, Continental all offer purpose-built aircraft engines that can be bought off-the-shelf with good track records and warranties. If you're building it for yourself, go for it. If you're building it to sell in volume production into the aviation marketplace, use an aircraft engine.
 

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The SCII has been flying for two years with the Subaru 2.5, and was only recently refitted with the Lycoming IO360. Part of it was lack of a vendor for reliable Subaru conversions that met their advertised specs, but the big reason was market demand. When the machine was displayed at EAA AirVenture in 2007, the people with the resources to consider buying one saw the Subaru powerplant and suddenly were no longer interested.

If you have the tools and experience to blueprint a Subaru with the needed upgrades, there's no doubt you can create a reliable aircraft powerplant. But unless you're a homebuilder on a budget, there's no compelling reason to do so. Auto conversions will always have their reputation defined by the 90% that wind up with issues. Rotax, Lycoming, Continental all offer purpose-built aircraft engines that can be bought off-the-shelf with good track records and warranties. If you're building it for yourself, go for it. If you're building it to sell in volume production into the aviation marketplace, use an aircraft engine.

Thanks, I understand your point perfectly , unfortunalty there is no one willing to spend the money for a Subaru engine certification, Subaru won’t do it as the marked for aircraft engines comparing it with automotive market would be minimal. Never the less, a certified Subaru engine in many ways would be far superior as the current aircraft engines available, but I understand too one has to go with what is perceived as safe and reliable for those that can pay the price. Ironically, there are many SCII flying with Subaru engines and seems they are all happy customers..

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Is it possible you are mistaken about that? ;)

The SCII has been flying for two years with the Subaru 2.5, and was only recently refitted with the Lycoming IO360.

Lets put it this way, do you know of any unhappy SCII customers with a Subaru engine...? :whip:

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I don´t know any unhappy Sub driver and some Rotax are not pleased.
There are lots of Rotax drivers in love with it, that is not the point, the point is, can it be done with a Subaru.
Yes it can! Not many mods needed.
The problem is that one explained above, lack of reliable sources, we have to scavenge for them. But
But . . .but . . .but . . .there is a light way down the tunnel.
It will take some time and resources but it is doable by increasing the users of gyro, and that is done with training, spare parts and minimal downtime.
Engines come right after that . . .but still they are out there,
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Raton, the only completed Sport Copter II to date is the factory prototype. It was originally flown and displayed at Oshkosh with the EJ25, but has been retrofitted with Lycoming power. I'm not sure whether Subaru will remain an option.

The Sport Copter website is badly outdated, but I understand it's about to be overhauled.
 

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One more on the wanna be gallery.
Many good gyros have been made in the 8 years I have been around.
Still the problem remains: no interface with manufacturers, no standard training, no repair parts, poor maintenance.
We have at least 3 great single seaters and 3 doubles to market. The prices keep going up like their made of gold and diamonds.
The entire gyro movement is turned inwards with very little to none recruiting.
I did fly a couple of very good traveling machines. During my training speeds over 95 mph were common and I saw over 110 several times.
No project is ever considered finished, builders have no marketing skills at all.
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One more on the wanna be gallery.
Many good gyros have been made in the 8 years I have been around.
Still the problem remains: no interface with manufacturers, no standard training, no repair parts, poor maintenance.
We have at least 3 great single seaters and 3 doubles to market. The prices keep going up like their made of gold and diamonds.
The entire gyro movement is turned inwards with very little to none recruiting.
I did fly a couple of very good traveling machines. During my training speeds over 95 mph were common and I saw over 110 several times.
No project is ever considered finished, builders have no marketing skills at all.
Heron

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The whole point is that any gyro can be modified to take a Subaru, if the Sport Copter II has now a Lyncoming means with some minor(?) modifications can take a Subaru. The question is now can one buy a SCII in a kit form..?

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