ADS-B Out Option

[bryancobb]

I have been starting to look for ADS-B Out options for my Gyro, as now that I'm FINALLY able to start my build again, I'll probably need it given how crowded SoCal skies are where I live. And, being a single seat Gyro, there isn't a whole lot of places to put avionics. I had been looking at several ideas, but this just showed up on uAvionix's website - an all in one Mode S transponder, with ADS-B Out have a Dual Band ADS-B In, AND it has a remote control head, so you don't necessarily have to wifi it to an iPhone/Android or tablet. the link is here if you want to see it. I think this will be a great option for smaller gyros that may need to have it. They don't have a price yet, but should be competitive with what else is out there. I'm hoping to be ready to build my panel this fall - finally starting the frame assembly, but need a few items before I get the wheels on. With luck, I'll be starting lessons next spring/summer!

I think you may be a little mixed-up Terry unless you know something I don't know .
The closest thing I can find that is similar to the thing you describe is the echoUAT for $999.
It does not include a Mode C or S transponder. It does include ADS-B OUT and IN IF you already have or buy a transponder.
The PING200X is for drones.

 

[bryancobb]

I have found ADS-B in very useful flying gyroplanes.

I can’t visually see an aircraft at my six o’clock and most are going faster than me.

They have trouble seeing me because my wings are not visible.

With ADS-B in I can see aircraft behind me and find value in that.

I find rotorcraft hard to see and it is nice to have the ADS-B in to help with that.

If looking at your Electronic Screen in flight, in your gyros works well, and you value it, then I stand corrected.
In my Tomahawk, if I have a passenger, they could do that task for me and it would be great. If I am alone, MY EYES ARE OUTSIDE except for about 2 seconds every minute. In my Mini-500, I stay out of any airspace that requires radios, transponders, and ADS-B.

 

[Terry_Smith]

Bryan - well, the uAvionix's option never materialized. I ended up getting the Trig TT22 Transponder setup for my Gyro. Haven't installed it yet, as I need to fabricate some shelving inside my Pod to mount the stuff. Has a nice control head. It'll have ADS-B out, and Mode S. Got it for a decent price as a bundle - couldn't -pass it up.

 

[bryancobb]

Bryan - well, the uAvionix's option never materialized. I ended up getting the Trig TT22 Transponder setup for my Gyro. Haven't installed it yet, as I need to fabricate some shelving inside my Pod to mount the stuff. Has a nice control head. It'll have ADS-B out, and Mode S. Got it for a decent price as a bundle - couldn't -pass it up.

Were you flying without a XPDR before now? If not, the tailBeacon would get you ADS-B Out for two grand using your current XPDR, saving you almost $760 off the Trig package, which includes the XPDR and goes for $2760 at Spruce.

 

[GyroRon]

Bryan - well, the uAvionix's option never materialized. I ended up getting the Trig TT22 Transponder setup for my Gyro. Haven't installed it yet, as I need to fabricate some shelving inside my Pod to mount the stuff. Has a nice control head. It'll have ADS-B out, and Mode S. Got it for a decent price as a bundle - couldn't -pass it up.

The airplane I recently purchased, a Sonex " Waiex " has a Trig TT22 transponder in it. I had to send it back to a avionics shop for a software update, and then I also purchased a Trig TN72 GPS position source and a antenna for it. Cost me under 500$. Hooked the TN72 to power and ground and two signal wires from it to the transponder and I am now ADS-B out legal.

I have no idea what the trig transponder would cost to buy new, if you were trying to buy a transponder and ADS-B out device... Not sure if its the cheapest option or not. But I can say the Trig stuff appears to be top notch modern stuff, especially compared to the old antique transponders I am used to in the planes I have owned in the past

 

[WaspAir]

This is one of those situations for which the bulk of our membership should appreciate the Experimental status of their gyros. For the Standard Airworthiness aircraft I fly, ADS-B OUT is quite expensive, and the IN option even more so. Be thankful you can buy cheaper non-TSOd stuff for your panels.

 

[bryancobb]

This is one of those situations for which the bulk of our membership should appreciate the Experimental status of their gyros. For the Standard Airworthiness aircraft I fly, ADS-B OUT is quite expensive, and the IN option even more so. Be thankful you can buy cheaper non-TSOd stuff for your panels.

 

[ventana7]

It is ludicrous for a gyro to have any ADS-B device more than simple ADS-B OUT for ATC purposes. Gyros are VFR, eyes-outside machines. In a couple of days, having simple ADS-B OUT, as you know, will be the law of the land. ADS-B IN is not required and the benefits ADS-B IN provides to gyro pilots is minimal. ADSB-OUT, adequate for ATC to know precisely where and how high and how fast you are is a great idea and works without the pilot doing ANYTHING except turning it on. Unless you will be staying out of airspace that requires a transponder, you will need it. ADS-B in is a gadget with very limited value to any aircraft that spends its whole life in VFR air. I just put ADS-B out in my VFR Tomahawk for the least amount you can possibly do. It cost me $1999. I think the EXPERIMENTAL version is $1799. Get it or stay out of Class B & C and Mode-C Veils.

Bryan I have no idea where you fly or what type of flying you do, but a blanket statement that ADS B is ludicrous for every gyro is itself a ludicrous statement. Gyros flying at crowded airports or training in busy airspace will be happy to have ADS-B traffic. I've flown gyros over 14,000 cross country miles. Having accurate weather at my destination is really a positive decision making tool. While we can land our gyros pretty much anywhere, being able to consult weather and pick an airport whose runways allow a safe take off again after refueling promotes good ADM.

Rob

 

[anthom]

If you already have a Trig transponder, from Aircraft Spruce you can get:

TRIG TN72 ADS-B GPS POSITION SOURCE

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$385.00/Each

TRIG TA50 COMPACT GPS ANTENNA

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[Resasi]

Its dated but this article had some good information. Should think prices will continue to fall and more options appear.

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I remember when I first had to install ACAS (Aircraft Collision Avoidance Systems) equipment to fly into Europe, and RVSM (Reduced Vertical Separation Minima) came in to accommodate increased traffic. Our typical cruise altitudes were 370 up to 450 so above most traffic, but closure rates on opposite direction traffic was generally around 900kts so you had only seen traffic just as it was passing, if at all.

The ACAS suddenly allowed you to see the eye-opening amount of aircraft out there all around you, and, with reduced spacing minima, very much closer. True that under IFR we were all carefully spaced, but when you were arriving into terminal areas it became like bees round a honeypot.

In gyros and ultralight aircraft we are now the invisible ones, and there is enough traffic in ‘Indian territory’ to be concerned about being seen. I know that just around the little airport I go to on a weekend it gets pretty busy round the circuit anything that increases our visibility can only be a good thing, and, to also be able to see other traffic, and receive up to the minute weather a blessing.

 

[bryancobb]

Bryan I have no idea where you fly or what type of flying you do, but a blanket statement that ADS B is ludicrous for every gyro is itself a ludicrous statement. Gyros flying at crowded airports or training in busy airspace will be happy to have ADS-B traffic. I've flown gyros over 14,000 cross country miles. Having accurate weather at my destination is really a positive decision making tool. While we can land our gyros pretty much anywhere, being able to consult weather and pick an airport whose runways allow a safe take off again after refueling promotes good ADM.

Rob

If I post "Americans are fat and have unhealthy eating habits," most would agree that this is a true statement. If you are a slim vegetarian that runs 10 miles a day...and you read my post, there's no reason to get your knickers in a crease. Just keep moving. Nothing for you to read here.

 

[ventana7]

If I post "Americans are fat and have unhealthy eating habits," most would agree that this is a true statement. If you are a slim vegetarian that runs 10 miles a day...and you read my post, there's no reason to get your knickers in a crease. Just keep moving. Nothing for you to read here.

We’ll you’re wrong again. Maybe in Georgia everyone is overweight and has bad eating habits. If you come out to Colorado where I live you would think EVERYONE runs 10 miles a day, does yoga and climbs 14,000’ mountains each weekend. I’m pretty sure Colorado is as representative of America as Georgia.

This forum is read by lots of people different than you who fly differently than you. Your blanket pronouncements only show your limited imagination. 😀

Rob

 

[bryancobb]

We’ll you’re wrong again. Maybe in Georgia everyone is overweight and has bad eating habits. If you come out to Colorado where I live you would think EVERYONE runs 10 miles a day, does yoga and climbs 14,000’ mountains each weekend. I’m pretty sure Colorado is as representative of America as Georgia.

This forum is read by lots of people different than you who fly differently than you. Your blanket pronouncements only show your limited imagination. 😀

Rob

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity_in_the_United_States Colorado IS the lowest state when it it comes to obesity.

 

[bryancobb]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity_in_the_United_States Colorado IS the lowest state when it it comes to obesity.

People from Colorado and California are "outliers" and anytime statistical analysis is done, outliers are usually disregarded.

 

[WaspAir]

People disregard me all the time, and now I finally know why...

 

[Resasi]

So... apart from the ‘outliers’ and ‘fatties’ any useful gen on cheap ADSB in/out for gyros?

 

[bryancobb]

So... apart from the ‘outliers’ and ‘fatties’ any useful gen on cheap ADSB in/out for gyros?

So far, the absolute cheapest way to comply (if you have a working Mode-C or S transponder) is the experimental version of the "tailBeacon" from uAvionix. It's about $1600. It's on backorder but the certificated version is in stock at $1999. If you already have a Grimes (or similar size) tail nav light, it takes literally 10 minutes to install the tailBeacon. Set it up using your SmartPhone, go fly a 30 minute test flight inside some airspace that requires a transponder, get a PAPR report from the FAA via email within the next couple of hours, and if it passes,, You are good-to-go. If not, make an adjustment in the phone app and go test fly again.

 

[bryancobb]

Now if you are a "get the latest gadgets" kind of person, get ADS-B out AND in at the absolute cheapest price at about $5000.
That includes the Stratus Transponder, ACK Altitude encoder, and WiFi Receiver. That gets you free weather and traffic and all
sorts of other features.

 

[ventana7]

I purchased (but have not yet installed) the Uavonix echodat and skyfyx gps for about $1,500 from Spruce. It gets transponder info from my micro air. It will give me in and out. In displayed on my iPad mini running iflygps or the dedicated IFly I plan on buying. Only connection is power and ground.

 

[hismiths]

My mechanic @ PHKO/KOA just showed me the installs he put on a Cherokee and a Grumman. One had the head built into the left running light, the other in the tail-light. Very cool ... no idea about price, and it wouldn't matter to either airplane owner :-/