Adding Sport Pilot, Gyroplane.

[flyinglow]

you may have to deal with form 8710-11 on paper and send that in

I think this is correct. Thanks for the pointer. There's a clear spot on the 8710-11 form for the instructor who does the proficiency check to sign off that references § 61.321

 

[GyroChuck]

This is all I could find on the IACRA website as an Instructor.

IACRA Certification Application List​

Expand All

• Administrative Action
• Airworthiness
• Crewmembers
• Pilots
  • Remote Pilot
  • Student
  • Sport Pilot
    • Standard CFR 61 – Completion of Required Test
      • Original
  • Recreational
  • Private Pilot
  • Commercial
  • ATP
• Instructors
  • Flight Instructors
  • Ground Instructor
  • Authorized Instructor
  • Flight Instructor Sport Pilot
    • Standard CFR 61 – Completion of Required Test
      • Original Issuance
      • Renewal
      • Reinstatement
      • Activities Renewal
      • Duties and Responsibilities Renewal
      • FIRC Renewal

 

[flyinglow]

This is all I could find on the IACRA website as an Instructor.

IACRA Certification Application List​

Expand All

• Administrative Action
• Airworthiness
• Crewmembers
• Pilots
  • Remote Pilot
  • Student
  • Sport Pilot
    • Standard CFR 61 – Completion of Required Test
      • Original
  • Recreational
  • Private Pilot
  • Commercial
  • ATP
• Instructors
  • Flight Instructors
  • Ground Instructor
  • Authorized Instructor
  • Flight Instructor Sport Pilot
    • Standard CFR 61 – Completion of Required Test
      • Original Issuance
      • Renewal
      • Reinstatement
      • Activities Renewal
      • Duties and Responsibilities Renewal
      • FIRC Renewal

I tried going through IACRA as well and I chose the Applicant option.

The Pilots > Sport Pilot > Completion of Required Test > Original seems like the only option available through IACRA, and I think that would be for a new Sport Pilot certificate for someone who doesn't have a Recreational or higher certificate already.

 

[j4flyer]

Maybe it was spelled out in a post I didn’t read but, what does IACRA stand for ? Thanks

 

[Mayfield]

Integrated Airman Certification and Rating Application

 

[GyroChuck]

Found out from a student of Ron Menzie. For a SP Add-On a paper 8710-1 has to be used and mailed in.

 

[Abid]

Found out from a student of Ron Menzie. For a SP Add-On a paper 8710-1 has to be used and mailed in.

8710-11 for sport pilot add-on not 8710-1

 

[GyroChuck]

8710-11 for sport pilot add-on not 8710-1

I thought it was a different form. but I couldn't find it online.

So I figured someone would correct me. You get the prize for being first.

 

[j4flyer]

Integrated Airman Certification and Rating Application

Thanks Jim

 

[blw2]

apologies if this is too much of a sidetrack....
I have a PPL (SE land instrument airplane)
just daydreaming about gyro's...and considering getting into it...

I understand the FAA restricts what gyros can do.... no IFR, etc...

IF I were to get into flying a gyro
what would I get for adding on as a PPL gyro add-on vs the Sport add-on?
Either way, I could do VFR day or night, correct? What else is there?

 

[GyroChuck]

apologies if this is too much of a sidetrack....
I have a PPL (SE land instrument airplane)
just daydreaming about gyro's...and considering getting into it...

I understand the FAA restricts what gyros can do.... no IFR, etc...

IF I were to get into flying a gyro
what would I get for adding on as a PPL gyro add-on vs the Sport add-on?
Either way, I could do VFR day or night, correct? What else is there?

Privileges & Limitations

When operating as a sport pilot, you as the pilot must operate within the following guidelines of the sport pilot certificate:

Privileges

The holder of a valid sport pilot certificate may:

Operate as pilot in command of a sport pilot eligible aircraft.
Carry a single passenger and share expenses (fuel, oil, airport expenses, and aircraft rental).
Fly during the daytime using visual flight rules (VFR). Three statute miles visibility and visual contact with the ground are required.
Fly Cross-country anywhere in the U.S.
Fly up to 10,000 feet above mean sea level (MSL) or 2,000 feet above ground level (AGL), whichever is higher.
Fly in Class E and G airspace (and B, C, and D airspace with appropriate training).

Limitations

Sport pilots may not:

Fly in Class A airspace.
Fly in Class B, C, or D airspace until they receive training and a logbook endorsement from an instructor.
Fly outside the U.S. without prior permission from the foreign aviation authority.
Tow any object.
Fly while carrying a passenger or property for compensation or hire.
Fly in furtherance of a business.

 

[blw2]

I should have added.... in terms of flying a two-seater sport gyro, such as the AR-1 and all the similar models....
so in that context, I understand that those don't do well up high so the 10,000 ft restriction is a moot point more or less...

Are there any of these 2 seat Gyro models that fall outside of the "sport pilot eligible aircraft" requirement?

So maybe with a PPL gyro:

• one could go special VFR
• could fly outside the US
• could fly at night (I didn't realize that was a limitation for Sport)
• what else am I not thinking of?

 

[Abid]

apologies if this is too much of a sidetrack....
I have a PPL (SE land instrument airplane)
just daydreaming about gyro's...and considering getting into it...

I understand the FAA restricts what gyros can do.... no IFR, etc...

IF I were to get into flying a gyro
what would I get for adding on as a PPL gyro add-on vs the Sport add-on?
Either way, I could do VFR day or night, correct? What else is there?

Sport pilot cannot currently fly at night though that may be changing with MOSAIC (with night training and endorsement). You don't need any training or endorsement to fly in controlled airspace because you have a PPL-ASEL
There are some heavy gyroplanes that are just 2 seat and don't do anything a sport pilot eligible gyroplane can do, are not faster or slower than sport eligible gyroplanes that would require a PPL in gyroplanes. You probably want to stay clear of them because about the only thing they can do is cost more $$ for gas per hour. 95%+ of gyroplane market is 2 seat sport eligible gyroplanes. You honestly don't get much with PPL except for night flying privileges in practical terms today with what is available.
One other thing you can do with PPL Gyroplanes is install an inflight adjustable propeller and that does help in top end cruise speed (6 to 8 mph more) but that gyroplane then can never be eligible to be flown by a Sport Pilot.
Other than that there are some certified gyroplanes from the 60's like J2 and A&S 18A that have a collective pitch that require a PPL but hard to come by and even harder to find parts for.

 

[Abid]

I should have added.... in terms of flying a two-seater sport gyro, such as the AR-1 and all the similar models....
so in that context, I understand that those don't do well up high so the 10,000 ft restriction is a moot point more or less...

Are there any of these 2 seat Gyro models that fall outside of the "sport pilot eligible aircraft" requirement?

So maybe with a PPL gyro:

• one could go special VFR
• could fly outside the US
• could fly at night (I didn't realize that was a limitation for Sport)
• what else am I not thinking of?

AR-1 will go right to 14500 feet with a fixed pitch propeller with 915iS engine and probably beyond. I stopped there. No supplemental oxygen.
It will go to 13000 feet with 914UL engine.

 

[cowboypilot]

AR-1 will go right to 14500 feet with a fixed pitch propeller with 915iS engine and probably beyond. I stopped there. No supplemental oxygen.
It will go to 13000 feet with 914UL engine.

I know years ago you mentioned a possible side by side model as well, are you still working on that?

 

[Abid]

I know years ago you mentioned a possible side by side model as well, are you still working on that?

Not right now. I designed and am bringing a side by side airplane which I showed at Sun N Fun. Bigger market size. Side by side gyroplane project took a back seat to the airplane. MOSAIC being delayed by FAA and thus not having a standard to built against was another reason. I need clarity to what it needs to comply with design wise. It is likely close to BCAR Sec T but unsure.

 

[flyinglow]

I passed my Sport Pilot / Gyroplane proficiency check yesterday! Thanks to everyone here for the helpful posts.

I wanted to drop a link that was useful to help fill out the 8710-11 and the endorsements for the proficiency check. Proficiency Check Procedures for Obtaining Additional Category/Class Sport Pilot Privileges gives details on how to fill out all the paperwork. This was linked from https://www.faa.gov/licenses_certificates/airmen_certification/sport_pilot which has a bunch of good links for Sport Pilots and instructors.