Accident - Rotorsport MTOSport G-PALT, Beccles airfield, Suffolk, UK 10 AUG 2021

Looks like maybe the one here - https://www.rotaryforum.com/threads...ng-for-the-next-project.1146263/#post-1178774

Curious, Ewan says it "stalled".

Smack said:

Curious, Ewan says it "stalled".

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I hope the accident pilot recovers from his injuries.

To many watching a gyroplane lifting off prematurely and settling back down appears to be similar to a stall in a fixed wing.

Ewan Phillips may have made this terminology error.

Glad there was no fire... Hope pilot recovers soon.

Hope he had his helmet cam on so we can see what happened.

If you take note and dicipline yourself not to lift the nose until you have loaded the rotor and you have a minimum 200 Rrpm it will not happen unless your ham fisted in witch case your instructor needs an interview
I get very annoyed when I read about these accidents …yet they continue I think more attention to detail in the pre take off phaze of flight is needed and it must be drilled in to take note of the Rrpm ….it’s often glossed over

hope the Pilot is ok and gets flying soon

I feel there is value in following the takeoff procedure in the pilot’s operating handbook.

knussear said:

Looks like maybe the one here - https://www.rotaryforum.com/threads...ng-for-the-next-project.1146263/#post-1178774

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That is the Reg of the gyro in the video posted on the other thread. It was on the tail right at the beginning of the video as the rear seater gets in and then later can be seen on the dashboard.

Same colour too,

I'm still training, I'm learning to accelerate till the nose wheel lifts off, keep it just off the runway while continue accelerating till airspeed up to at least 55 before leaving the runway. Hardest for me was controlling the machine up to that point and not rushing anything. Basically balancing on the mains, accelerating to flying speed then lifting off.

The last accident video I watched seemed that the pilot tried to fly as soon as the nose wheel lifted off. Bad..

Hmm, I was just looking at what twistedrisers wrote in that other thread on Sunday, "I'm currently at hour 7 so working towards the 10 I need before I can go solo."
Just from my own experience, I needed a LOT more than 10 hours before my instructor let me go solo...

I think shooting for an arbitrary number of hours is a mistake. I have over 20, could solo if I had a 2 place machine but still training till I can transition later this year.

No rush in my opinion!

Sv.grainne said:

I think shooting for an arbitrary number of hours is a mistake. I have over 20, could solo if I had a 2 place machine but still training till I can transition later this year.

No rush in my opinion!

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Your instructor will know when your ready

Possibly another case of accelerating with stick forward.

"It dipped down and the tail hit the ground causing it to start to flip. Pieces of metal were flying everywhere. It continued to flip about two more times and landed on its left side where it slid and grounded to a halt with the pilot lying motionless in the cockpit, resting his helmeted head on the ground.”

Above from the eye witness, but hard to piece this together.

Greg Vos said:

Your instructor will know when your ready

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He does, told me I'm ready, but will wait till I build my Aviomania and complete transition training. In the meantime I'm still taking lessons with my CFI.

Tyger said:

Hmm, I was just looking at what twistedrisers wrote in that other thread on Sunday, "I'm currently at hour 7 so working towards the 10 I need before I can go solo."
Just from my own experience, I needed a LOT more than 10 hours before my instructor let me go solo...

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Probably a converting pilot.

But still, the "10 hours" is a minimum, not a target....

From a witness to the mishap:
"It dipped down and the tail hit the ground causing it to start to flip. Pieces of metal were flying everywhere. It continued to flip about two more times and landed on its left side where it slid and grounded to a halt with the pilot lying motionless in the cockpit, resting his helmeted head on the ground.”

Based on the witnesses description and speaking from experience with my clients and with no direct knowledge of the accident many people imagine the cyclic is the up lever and pointing the nose at the sky is the way to get there.

If someone doesn’t learn to move the cyclic forward continuously as the rotor lift increases during the takeoff roll the gyroplane will likely take off prematurely (too low an indicated air speed) and may sink back down to the ground as soon as it gets out of ground effect at that low air speed.

It is not unusual for the gyroplane to be out of alignment with the direction of travel leading to an untidy, un-commanded landing.

Any further mishandling of the cyclic may turn untidy into a tip over as described by the witness.

When the rotor blade touches the ground or hits something on the gyroplane a very large amount of stored kinetic energy in the rotor is released in an uncontrolled way and parts may depart the aircraft.

Ah - that makes sense Vance. If that did indeed happen then it sounds like more training would have helped prevent it from happening. All speculation too course...

Looking at the photo of the accident I don’t think much can be reused? Maybe some instruments and maybe the engine?

Gyrojocky please read Vance response above ...

Probably looked a bit like this.