More things that make you go hmm....

It's quite amazing how much drivel you can block on this forum by placing just 3 people on your ignore list. Best thing I ever did :party:

No prizes for guessing which 3 I'm talking about...
 
It's quite amazing how much drivel you can block on this forum by placing just 3 people on your ignore list. Best thing I ever did :party:

No prizes for guessing which 3 I'm talking about...
LOL Brett what if I guess the order you had put them on ignore????:twitch:
1st J 2nd H 3rd A :yo:
PS: I am also big fan of that list!
 
...The absence of the photo is fertile ground for little minds accustomed to conspiracy theories...

Ms. Campos reveals that she is a shallow thinker, and naive about our government. Generalized characterization all those dissatisfied with the lack of evidence "small minds" is the tactic of someone who knows she has the inferior argument.

We are accustomed to being intentionally misled by our elected officials. The most recent unemployment numbers are another example. A majority of the jobs supposedly created in the last month were added in a statistical adjustment, but hailed as actual new, private-sector jobs. The idea that the administration would only lie about unimportant things is pretty silly.

It's probably helpful to most doubters to have Al Qaeda confirm Bin Laden's death, but there are some who believe his own organization had something to gain through supporting the US story. The photos would put this to rest for nearly everyone.

The idea that the photos are an unacceptable escalation of emotion after killing Bin Laden and dumping him at sea is pretty far fetched. The sociopaths of Al Qaeda should be numb to such photos. They are used to seeing and publicizing much worse.
 
Albert, you appear to be showing your affiliations a bit more clearly.

The assertions that OBL was an implacable enemy of both the USA and the West came from him, not me. That is a matter of record.

Iraq/ Saddam Hussein had made the same assertions about the 'Great Satan' ...as a matter of record.

The US and West reacted to these statements and the actions that both of these gentlemen initiated. There were of course consequences that appear to have benefited neither of them.

There are many records, and you appear to be putting your own feelings quite clearly...on record.


I don’t know about your affiliations and feelings, mine are based on facts, and a matter of record. Right or wrongly , the US has many enemies, the west by proxy , I guess those not agreeing with the USA-West rightly deserve our punishments. Could it be the Great Satan is amongst us?

Thanks
Albert
 
You crack me up! Ed.

Hey Automan:
Just maybe-Oboma offered Osoma a deal and put him into the Federal Witness Protection program. And this whole thing is a skit for the news media to play out to convince the the masses that "Public Enemy #1" is dead? Perfect cover story!
 
David
What happen with . . ."and domestic"?
Brazilianist . . .at first I did not like the term, how dare an american understand Brazil better than we do?
But reading them I could see that many love Brazil and have a different point of view, sometimes better, without been clouded by emotion.
Today I listen to them and am gratefull they take their time to send us some insight from another perspective.
Someone trespasses your property and steal/mess things, you find out who it is, go and try to stop it by warning, no avail . . .the mess continues untill you get fed up and throw some harm against the perp . . .now you are the bad guy, you should have done this or that, call the police (but the perp is the police) and all that jazz.
Glad I am on you ignore list, less worry that I am taking your time for nothing!
Thanks
Heron
 
I don’t know about your affiliations and feelings, mine are based on facts, and a matter of record.

You're sarcasm is noted Albert. My feelings however are crystal clear, and based upon recorded fact, together with over 25 years of working in the Arab world.

A lifetime of watching the rapid spread of an intolerant, extremism that threatens the tolerance and freedoms that the West and USA won with blood and now are giving away.

Working in countries whose intolerant and extreme religion openly advocates the death of those whom they disagree with. That flogs, beheads, and stones people in public. Places that implacably forbid those who come to work for them to openly practice their own religion.

Where I could be prosecuted for displaying any symbol of Christianity, deported for ever requesting a place where I might pray, while at the same time be obliged to respect their prayer times their observance of Ramadan and time of fasting. And never, never, ever openly protest that my basic freedoms were being infringed upon. All these freely given to those who come to the West and USA

They on the other hand demand all over the West, and in America to be able to build their Mosques, build their Madras's where their extremism and intolerance is preached and taught. Demand that Sharia law be observed and implemented. And in the West and America, our tolerance and freedoms allows them to spread their extremism, intolerance and fanaticism.

The rabid baying hate of the hordes has been recorded in every country that will happily hold out their hands for aid then spit at those who give it.

Some forgot themselves enough to raise their hands to strike, and to their surprise found that blow returned.

My affiliations and feelings are very clear Albert, as are yours.

The people you are working for have laudable qualities. Industrious, careful with money, and with a long history to be proud of. But it is also where the individual is sacrificed for the good of the many, and personal freedoms are few. Where the standard of living for many is low enough for you to be able to tout your cheap labor costs hence cheap products. Where intellectual rights are so commonly ignored, again lowering the costs.

That they will be a superpower again, is not disputed. Nations rise and fall, civilizations flourish then wither away. But all human advancement comes with a cost.

Ones own station and place in this world determines how we feel think and act.

I, deeply appreciative of being born and brought up in one that allowed me the personal freedoms I have enjoyed so deeply; support, and happily give my allegiance to it, without I might add, the promise of any virgins.:)
 
You're sarcasm is noted Albert. My feelings however are crystal clear, and based upon recorded fact, together with over 25 years of working in the Arab world.

A lifetime of watching the rapid spread of an intolerant, extremism that threatens the tolerance and freedoms that the West and USA won with blood and now are giving away.

Working in countries whose intolerant and extreme religion openly advocates the death of those whom they disagree with. That flogs, beheads, and stones people in public. Places that implacably forbid those who come to work for them to openly practice their own religion.

Where I could be prosecuted for displaying any symbol of Christianity, deported for ever requesting a place where I might pray, while at the same time be obliged to respect their prayer times their observance of Ramadan and time of fasting. And never, never, ever openly protest that my basic freedoms were being infringed upon. All these freely given to those who come to the West and USA

They on the other hand demand all over the West, and in America to be able to build their Mosques, build their Madras's where their extremism and intolerance is preached and taught. Demand that Sharia law be observed and implemented. And in the West and America, our tolerance and freedoms allows them to spread their extremism, intolerance and fanaticism.

The rabid baying hate of the hordes has been recorded in every country that will happily hold out their hands for aid then spit at those who give it.

Some forgot themselves enough to raise their hands to strike, and to their surprise found that blow returned.


Well put.... I spent 11 years in AUH, I interpret the same.....
 
You're sarcasm is noted Albert. My feelings however are crystal clear, and based upon recorded fact, together with over 25 years of working in the Arab world.

A lifetime of watching the rapid spread of an intolerant, extremism that threatens the tolerance and freedoms that the West and USA won with blood and now are giving away.

Working in countries whose intolerant and extreme religion openly advocates the death of those whom they disagree with. That flogs, beheads, and stones people in public. Places that implacably forbid those who come to work for them to openly practice their own religion.

Where I could be prosecuted for displaying any symbol of Christianity, deported for ever requesting a place where I might pray, while at the same time be obliged to respect their prayer times their observance of Ramadan and time of fasting. And never, never, ever openly protest that my basic freedoms were being infringed upon. All these freely given to those who come to the West and USA

They on the other hand demand all over the West, and in America to be able to build their Mosques, build their Madras's where their extremism and intolerance is preached and taught. Demand that Sharia law be observed and implemented. And in the West and America, our tolerance and freedoms allows them to spread their extremism, intolerance and fanaticism.

The rabid baying hate of the hordes has been recorded in every country that will happily hold out their hands for aid then spit at those who give it.

Some forgot themselves enough to raise their hands to strike, and to their surprise found that blow returned.

My affiliations and feelings are very clear Albert, as are yours.

The people you are working for have laudable qualities. Industrious, careful with money, and with a long history to be proud of. But it is also where the individual is sacrificed for the good of the many, and personal freedoms are few. Where the standard of living for many is low enough for you to be able to tout your cheap labor costs hence cheap products. Where intellectual rights are so commonly ignored, again lowering the costs.

That they will be a superpower again, is not disputed. Nations rise and fall, civilizations flourish then wither away. But all human advancement comes with a cost.

Ones own station and place in this world determines how we feel think and act.

I, deeply appreciative of being born and brought up in one that allowed me the personal freedoms I have enjoyed so deeply; support, and happily give my allegiance to it, without I might add, the promise of any virgins.:)



While my initial query was only in regards to OBL, you expanded it to the Muslim world ,and yes, I do agree with you on that.

On the other hand, you assessment on the people I work for is somehow not very accurate, with 1.3 billion, 56 ethnic groups while the official language in the PRC is "Putonghua" (common speech) and known in English as Mandarin Chinese, there are however more than 200 languages in use in China and there are countless local dialects. Democracy, as we know it would not work here, in democracy things don’t get done, imagine asking a few of the ethnic folks If a railway could pass through their territories , the answer would be no, never the less, the rail way is implemented and the naysayers quietly use the rail services. The authoritarian government doesn’t take in consideration a few, all is done for the benefit of others whatever they like it or not. It works, things are done.

Visiting tractor factory,3000 workers, noticed old machineries, women’s on lathes and assembling gearboxes, asked why no new machineries, the answer was simple, everyone in this town is employed, modernization means unemployment. Comparing western living standards, there is no food stamps, soup kitchens, and homes people, everyone albeit cramped, owns his apartments, the poor farmer doesn’t pay tax, can sell his produce after 5PM on any street corners he chooses and has a better life then we mighty think off.

The government keeps wages low, giving them more, they would become uncompetitive and the foreigners would go India or Vietnam, with 2000 yuan a month’s these guys her can save, and live well. Don’t ask westerners how they do it. Industrial intellectual rights are not respected in the west either, but are getting better on software intellectual rights. Politically, well.. Some think they could do it better, and if too loud the vanish, no good giving fancy ideas to 1.3 billion guys while the present systems has proved it only can go better. Although, some in the west may find China to be politically repressive, people in China enjoy more freedom now than they've ever had through their long history, a westerner may view it as repressive, a Chinese person may view it as comparatively more freedoms.

Thanks
Albert
 
On the other hand, you assessment on the people I work for is somehow not very accurate
I disagree with none of your post above. In fact said
That they will be a superpower again, is not disputed.

Benign Dictatorships can work. Great Britain's governance of Hong Kong possibly one such example. It became a financial powerhouse out of all proportion to it's size. China's pragmatism allows it to retain a status that is very different to that of the rest of the Peoples Republic of China, possibly not just out of a warm and fuzzy feeling about personal freedoms.

The size and complexity of the two problems are of course very different, the time scale required accordingly reflecting this, even as China itself is now becoming a global economical powerhouse.

It is said by some that while present governments generally plan for years ahead, China plans for hundreds of years ahead, and yes there are people who understand why things are as they are, while not exactly approving of some of the methods used to deal with it despite their complexity.
 
India and China, are so complex and have huge problems that, it is a vain exercise try to explain it or even dictate norms for its government.
Freedom is in the minds of people!
I met a russian referee back in 78 and our group got together with some other oficials, Canada, USA, Puerto Rico . . all wanted to know how his life was.
He said he was born on that system, went to school, learned 8 languages, became an engineer, a referee and traveled the world. His house, car and vacation improved as his work was considered better and he was promoted.
I feel free, he said . . .as free as any other person. There were problems to inmigrate, even for common people (civilians) and he never wanted to live his nation.
He was a happy guy, energetic, always smiling and great ref.
What can I say?
Heron
 
India and China, are so complex and have huge problems that, it is a vain exercise try to explain it or even dictate norms for its government.
Freedom is in the minds of people!
I met a russian referee back in 78 and our group got together with some other oficials, Canada, USA, Puerto Rico . . all wanted to know how his life was.
He said he was born on that system, went to school, learned 8 languages, became an engineer, a referee and traveled the world. His house, car and vacation improved as his work was considered better and he was promoted.
I feel free, he said . . .as free as any other person. There were problems to inmigrate, even for common people (civilians) and he never wanted to live his nation.
He was a happy guy, energetic, always smiling and great ref.
What can I say?
Heron

I did not know I was so wealthy until I saw people that had little.
I did not know I was so poor until I saw people that had much.

The United States is kinda like the Pandora's box of freedoms.
Once opened and experienced........
 
After 20 years plus over there, I think I am kind of an americanist . . .don´t you?
Great place to live, impressive man made stuff, lots of values.
Could not think my life without everything that came from there in to it.
I learned that "freedom" is a word very worned out and loosing its meaning, I still crave for the USA of yesteryears . . .what a ride!
I can, and would, no doubt, live in both countries as I have done . . .and I am pretty sure that many others are worth trying.
Heron
 
Worked for the CIA.

Worked for the CIA.

Anything is possible these days. Most of what you read about is either a fabrication or an obfuscation. Most people who are close to any news worthy event can experience this first hand. I know I have which is how I have become so skeptical over reports from the main stream press. .

OBL worked for the CIA under the alias "Tim Osman" this is an admitted fact.

. He is suspected of working the OKC city bombing, that law enforcement who saw the tape before it was confiscated by the feds said a M.E looking man got out of the ryder truck with Mcveigh .


After finding a few patsies / "terrorists". Our own government / FBI supplied the bomb and the van that blew up the WTC in 1993 killing several people. This is also a fact. No need to roll eyes, or wrap with tinfoil. They got caught because the egyptian army general taped his conversation with the feds.

The Christmas "underwear" bomber was on a no fly / watch list, and he was personally escorted through security by our own intelligence people in an attempt to take down a flight so they could bring you porno scanners and grope our wives and girlfriends.

Now there is a good chance the virus we gave OBL that took out his kidneys killed him long ago, but what will we do to keep the war on terror going without the head boogey man. This leaves 2 possibilities. 1. They needed a good distraction to help with the birther / economy / budget situation. and 2. they have other plans in the works which will soon come to "light".........1 million sun block might help......and this requires a new bad guy for some reason which if my theory is true, will be explained when it happens.

[Russia, football, phoenix, stuxnet, etc] to be continued....

So anyone who swallows the total b.s that passes for news these days needs only to look at history. For those lost souls here that want to ignore the truth and ignore individuals here like myself, only act like the children we know you are.

J




You crack me up! Ed.

Hey Automan:
Just maybe-Oboma offered Osoma a deal and put him into the Federal Witness Protection program. And this whole thing is a skit for the news media to play out to convince the the masses that "Public Enemy #1" is dead? Perfect cover story!
 
Let all the truth out!

Let all the truth out!

Why stop there?

Katrina was steered to New Orleans by democrats in the black-ops section of the Dept. of Commerce Weather Modification Bureau to embarrass GWB. An admitted fact!

The tsunami/earthquake that hit Fukushima was done with undersea water injection into a fault by BP, paid for by General Motors and Ford, to shut down Toyota production. No fooling.

Pearl Harbor was actually attacked by American SNJs modified to look like Mitsubishis, so that FDR could keep his promise to Churchill to get the U.S. into the war. Ask anybody. Typical false flag stuff.

Ever wonder why you never see baby pigeons? They're aren't any. Pigeons are cybernetic devices, all made in adult form, to eavesdrop on conversations from windowsills.

Canada isn't there. It's a virtual country, that exists only online. It's only export is spam (the electronic kind). When you fly over, you see a hologram.

There's no such thing as gravity. All the conspiracy theories suck so much that it pulls everything on earth down. Especially I.Q.s.
 
Waspair- About time the whole truth came out. Thanks for the info. It all fits into the grand scheme. I may as well admit that I don't fly helicopters. Its all made up. Anybody here on the forum that sas they have seen me fly, is just being paid to say so. Stan
 
Wow Stan the detail that went into that subterfuge was great. Had us all completely fooled. Your graphics on those fake vids are awesome.
 
WOW!!!!

"More things that make you go hmmm"

Johnathan your need to believe, prove, and re-tell ALL conspiracy theories does make us go hummm.

Clinical psychology
For some individuals, an obsessive compulsion to believe, prove, or re-tell a conspiracy theory may indicate one or a combination of well-understood psychological conditions, and other hypothetical ones: paranoia, denial, schizophrenia, mean world syndrome.
 
History you do not know.

History you do not know.

Wasp,

If you knew the truth could you handle it ?

Lets take each of your "crackpot shots" and put them under the microscope.

Katrina was a man made hurricane and steered and directed

by HAARP. They proved this fact by dialing down the hurricanes intensity and dialing it up at random times. They even made it steer itself in a loop de loop something that hurricanes do not do. They did the same thing with hurricane floyd, and dennis 1 and dennis 2. In fact they steered dennis off the coast of nc for like a week in one spot something that is statistically impossible given the area it was in..
There are several HAARP facilities around the world and under the control and operation of various govenments. Do you really think they are just playing with a bunch of high powered short wave radios to look at the internet ? Youtube the videos of keen observers that are noticing what they term HAARP rings and HAARP boxes being picked up by radar sites. In fact several had predicted the tornado outbreak a few days before it happened because they identified the HAARP signatures on the weather returns.

The disaster in Japan was another HAARP operation. In fact after they did what they did to HAITI (and so many observers noticed the huge energy spikes from their internet feeds ) they took the HAARP web site off line so you could not look at the magnetometer swings, this is VERY suspicious they know we are watching and now that they are pulling the strings more often, not sure I could believe what data is being streamed is true anymore. Kind of like them dialing down and modifying the weather images, radar etc like they did about 10 or so years ago. The weather radar was picking up the strong energy reflections from these experiments, which was bad for those who wanted to keep what they were doing quiet. Now you cannot see the direct energy returns but you can see its presence from water vapor movements.
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Pearle Harbor: Let me tell you something about Pearl harbor something that you may never read in the history books. A good friend of our family worked on what was then RADAR in its infancy. . The project he was working on was being run by R.C.A. or Zenith, I forget its been 30 years... and a division of strategic command if I remember correctly. They were running a series of tests in the pacific and on Long Island NY, tuning the system and learning what size ships reflect what size signature returns..... When the radar operators saw all the signatures of the returns in the Pacific (the Japanese) this information was forwarded to the higher ups. We knew or elements within our government knew the japs were organizing an attack. You have to remember we were embargoing this country and only a fool would expect no response. . For weeks they were trying to find out how many and how long before they would arrive.... Well no one DID **** about the radar info. they let the ENTIRE command group sit like ducks in a barrel and be slaughtered just like they did on 911. This is a fact. I sat in this mans presence when he told this story on a few different occasions, I was very young then but I still remember this story.

Of course Wasp, do not say duck about the first WTC bombing.... funded and steered by our own government in 1993. Waco never happened, Ruby ridge never happened twa 800 never happened, We never bombed Japan with nuclear weapons, they were only "TESTS"...{according to the DOE web site}..{ yes even after dropping 2 atomic weapons on a country as an act of war, we cannot come clean and call it what it is. we have to spin, wash and b.s.our way out of it}............ . Inflation is LOW, Energy prices are reasonable. Food is cheap ! Heck everything is hunky dory according to our paid mouth pieces that have sold their souls long ago..... Where is my coupon for some Reynolds wrap foil.........

BTW Canada is there, they make Ginger Ale...... But the reason you do not hear from them is because its so friggin cold up there they only have about a weeks worth of summer ! Too busy rubbing sticks together for heat !

Now if NEW MADRID goes off it will be no surprise to me. B.P drill stopped the crack down in the gulf, you might remember they spilled a lot of oil trying to do what they did. God knows what they slid down the hole for future use ? tick toc tick toc tic tok....Now they have record flooding at the northern end of the fault and are using about a million lbs of explosives to blow up levies, because ends justifies the means and we need another disaster on cue....maybe election time, maybe sooner ?. There are also suspicious huge mag spikes on the HAARP site so they are either replaying the weekly feed before they popped the weasel in Haiti...or something new is getting ready for a go order. (gee that sounds familiar does it not) ?........who knows what tomorrow brings.

I am still waiting for California to slide into the ocean......:whoo:




Why stop there?

Katrina was steered to New Orleans by democrats in the black-ops section of the Dept. of Commerce Weather Modification Bureau to embarrass GWB. An admitted fact!

The tsunami/earthquake that hit Fukushima was done with undersea water injection into a fault by BP, paid for by General Motors and Ford, to shut down Toyota production. No fooling.

Pearl Harbor was actually attacked by American SNJs modified to look like Mitsubishis, so that FDR could keep his promise to Churchill to get the U.S. into the war. Ask anybody. Typical false flag stuff.

Ever wonder why you never see baby pigeons? They're aren't any. Pigeons are cybernetic devices, all made in adult form, to eavesdrop on conversations from windowsills.

Canada isn't there. It's a virtual country, that exists only online. It's only export is spam (the electronic kind). When you fly over, you see a hologram.

There's no such thing as gravity. All the conspiracy theories suck so much that it pulls everything on earth down. Especially I.Q.s.
 
Detention from my history teacher.

Detention from my history teacher.

I just got detention from my history teacher, I forgot and missed the biggest US false flag whopper of them all next to 911 and WTC '93 !!!

. I can't believe I let this one slip.

This one act of U.S government propaganda, false flag nonsense cost this country over 50,000 lives.

And you guys are going to poke fun at me .......over the deaths of tens of thousands of good men and women.

Gulf Of Tonkin.

google

gulf of tonkin false flag event

De-classified Vietnam-era Transcripts Show Senators Knew Gulf Of Tonkin Was A Staged False Flag Event

http://www.prisonplanet.com/de-clas...-of-tonkin-was-a-staged-false-flag-event.html

Never Happened, total fabrication by our "leaders".

President knew it,

Senators knew it.

Public, duped !

YouTube - Gulf of Tonkin: McNamara admits It didn't happen.
 
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