Another day in Paradise!

Vance

Gyroplane CFI
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Location
Santa Maria, California
Aircraft
Givens Predator
Total Flight Time
2600+ in rotorcraft
Work, 33% chance of rain and working with the composite guy nearly cost me a flying day.

Winds were 280 at 15kts gusting to 22kts.

The repairs on the Predator went quickly and the preflight went well.

Lockheed Martin had an AIRMET for moderate turbulence and another for mountain obscuration. I double checked about precipitation and none was expected in my flight operating time frame.

Ed decided not to fly.

There was a haze in the air that reflected the afternoon sun and it was cool with a fresh bouquet of a recent shower.

Sunset was at 7:39 so when I took off at 5:00 I felt I had enough time to fly to San Luis Obispo, have supper at The Spirit of San Luis restaurant and wander home. Yes, I did set my GPS for daylight saving time. I try to learn from my mistakes.

I flapped the blades briefly in the gusting wind but with a little forward stick their good behavior was restored and we climbed out briskly making 41kts of ground speed down the runway at 60 kts indicated air speed. The Predator felt powerful and capable in the cool dense air.

The flight was surprisingly smooth as we wondered across the Santa Maria Valley at 75kts IAS making 58kts of ground speed. We were just keeping up with most of the cars on Highway 101 as we made our way to the water tower.

I listened to the San Luis Obispo ATIS and called the San Luis Obispo tower 12 miles south east at 1,500 feet requesting a straight in. They reminded me to stay south of the centerline and told me to report over the landfill. This is easy to find because it is where I begin to dodge curious seagulls.

There are some small hills that we traverse at an angle that usually cause some turbulence and have two rows of big power lines. It was even smooth over the hills. The indicated air speed was swinging through around 15kts but it did not seem to shake the Predator.

I heard “experimental gyroplane 142 Mike Golf, runway 29 clear to land!” before I had a chance to report the landfill. This is still more than 4 miles from the numbers and we were making less than 60kts over the ground.

A King Air reported in over Lake Lopez and he was advised of being number two behind the experimental gyroplane, slow moving. The voice sounded familiar but I couldn’t place it.

The landing was near vertical and gentle as could be because of the winds. I feel that landing into a good wind is more fun than still air.

As I was securing the Predator a fellow who had deplaned from the King Air had his papers spill out of his briefcase and I helped chase them down in the wind. “Thank you and I like your bird.” I recognized him without consciously recognizing him and remarked that I had done the same thing.

A sheriff had a close eye on me and I wondered what I had done wrong. We got to talking and he has seen the Predator fly over the baseball field where he practices many times and was excited to see her land. He said he has always been in love with gyroplanes. We made arrangements to go flying and I settled down to supper.

After the sheriff left the waitress proclaimed excitedly that the fellow in the King Air was a well known actor. He was probably glad that I didn’t consciously recognize him and treated him with the respect of a fellow pilot.

After supper I called the tower with the current ATIS for a taxi to runway 29. He was very friendly and I thanked him for it. I find a friendly tower adds to the joy of a flight and I told him so.

I asked ATC for a left downwind departure to the East South East and it was approved as requested.

The takeoff roll was short and the lift off almost vertical. The air was still surprisingly smooth and the Predator felt like she was ready to go. I waved good bye to whoever might be watching and soon we were at 1,500 over the hills at 100kts of ground speed. I headed straight for the water tower and listened to the SMX ATIS. At the water tower I called SMX ATC from ten miles to the North East descending through 1,300 feet. I was to make right traffic and report mid field. It is 22 nautical miles as the crow flies from SMX to SBP so the tower is a handy reporting point in either direction. It is usually 28 miles as the gyro flies.

The landing at SMX was nice enough to illicit a compliment from the tower and cause an involuntary giggle. I love to fly!

“Experimental Gyroplane 142 Mike Golf, continue to parking, monitor ground point niner.”

After an appropriate period of afterglow I filled her up and did an extensive post flight inspection, checking my recent repair and she is ready to go when the mist burns off today.

Thank you, Vance
 

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More from the return.

More from the return.

A couple more landscape pictures from the return flight and some airport shots.

I love the landing light pictures and I am always talking about the Nipomo water tower.

As a prime example of overconfidence I took some pictures of SMX while in the pattern. The first of the SMX pictures show the general layout when we were inbound on the 45. That is taxiway Hotel that we are lined up with. 20 is our crosswind runway and it goes over the hill so it is longer than it looks when you are landing. The picture on short final is the supreme example of audaciousness. I usually put the camera away once I am in touch with ATC.

Thank you, Vance
 

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Will I Stop Me?

Will I Stop Me?

Ed decided not to fly. Thank you, Vance

My Dear Friends here on the Forum,

I just wanted to let you all know what has been going on with “Me”

My Darling husband is a wonderful Man and to say that Ed decided not to go flying does not begin to express what Ed really decided. What I really decided was I was panicking again. My attacks haven’t gotten better…just the opposite.

To watch my Husband take of on yet another adventure without was so terribly dis-heartening.

I’ve flown three time since my very first panic attack in the Predator! The first one we took off to head for San Luis for Lunch and I had to tell Vance to take me back in…my heart was racing I was sweating and I felt I couldn’t breathe.

After that Vance suggested taking it slow the next time we attempted to fly together I agreed this would probably be a good idea. Every time he suggested flying I noticed how things would come up and I was avoiding flying…I think Vance noticed too! Still he said nothing leaving me to figure out my feelings for myself never trying to force anything on me.

The second time we were at El Mirage he asked me if I wanted to go flying I didn’t think twice and just hopped right in…I was fine I hadn’t even thought about the panic attacks until we landed and I thought Awesome I guess I’m over it…no more attacks YIPPIE…right ….NOT!

After we got back from El Mirage we went to go flying again it was the same thing. Vance said let just do some touch and goes and see how I do. Well we did about three and I wasn’t doing well. So Vance being the Sweetheart that he is landed and took me back to the hanger. To say I was disappointed in myself hardly begins to describe how I felt.

A couple weeks later he suggest we try again and I agreed nothing ventured nothing gained! I was feeling so good I just told him to head straight out and let fly to SLO we did and we had lunch. This is confusing to me by now and I’m sure it’s gotten to Vance just a bit. I did fine there and back it felt so marvelous to fly and take my pictures. What the hell is my problem??!!

Well yesterday he asks if I wanted to fly I said “yes” I really wanted to go I was feeling no apprehension what-so-ever! I donned on my flying suit and I was ready Vance had just got off of the Phone with Lockheed Martin and he looks at me and says “well Ya ready to go”…I hesitated My heart starts racing, my hands get clammy…and I start crying. Folks this really beginning to take over my life…it’s taking away the joy of flying with Vance. I feel like all my freedoms are being taken away. You all need to understand I’m not scared to fly or afraid it’s the damndest thing. It’s Just flat out Panic…I don’t understand it.

Vance was a Sweetheart…he thought I should talk to our personal physician as he was a Military Doctor and has dealt no doubt with people who suffer from post traumatic stress disorder and other stress related things. He thought he would be ideal…I agreed and call him and made an appointment for Monday the 25th of April. Hopefully we can address what is going on and how exactly to tackle this problem.

I want to fly, not be left behind as I was yesterday watching Vance take off to enjoy a beautiful day of flying…without me…yeah…I stood there crying, wondering how I can fix this horrible feeling of Panic in me. Sometimes I feel it driving in my car, but I know I can pull over and get out of the car or when I’m in and elevator the only thing that consoles me is hopefully the doors will open in two seconds and I will be out. But I can’t do that in the Predator. This is devastating to me.

The reason I am sharing this with you all is that I feel like a fraud. And I feel you all being my extended Family deserve to know what’s really going on with me. Just to say that I’m being human is not good enough. Why can’t I rise above this stupid fear? Vance is wonderful and he just takes it one day at a time being patient with me. But I feel at my wits end with this! Everyone here is always so supportive of Vance & I with our adventures I just felt you all deserved to know the rest of the story. I wonder how this will effect our getting ready to fly in Mariah Gale. Will get that chance…or will I stop Me?

Thanks for letting me just be just me!:violin:
Cheers! Ed
 
Vance,

I like the landing light / tower photo as well!

Overconfidence or gained competence?

I have found that after many hours with my cameras I have gained lots of new flying skills.

Ed,

Anxiety does suck.

I wish I had come concrete advise for you. I know there are some breathing techniques that work for people.

I know a friend that has been doing some self-help work on anxiety and I will see if I can get some recommendations.

.
 
You can beat it.

You can beat it.

Ed, I know your fear and anguish, I've been there. All I can give you is your not alone with these feelings, you can conquer it, it can be done on your own, but it's not easy.
Group therapy might be the next step.
People who have never experienced a panic attack have no clue about what your feeling, a medical doc is not the answer.
I hope you find a solution to this, it can be debilitating.
I really sympathize with you, you can beat it.
 
Ed just a thought!. The attacks seem to come and go. I may be far off base, but I am thinking maybe the helmet.

Maybe the helmet is not on the same each time. Or possibly the way you are looking out of the Predator. What I am thinking is, as the helmet is moving in the airstream that it may be pulling the air from inside the helmet. This would cause rapid breathing, leading to the panic attack, the sweating etc. Just something to ponder.
 
Ed- It bothers me to see you suffering from these panic attacks, plus I am sure it weighs on Vance as well. Don't know how to advise you as I havent figured why Barbara gets the same, and I was only able to get her up once. All I can say is you have been up dozens of times, and took hundreds of the best photos. You have a very capable pilot that is a very safe pilot. Just think of your past experiences, close your eyes, feel the wind, and just go flying with Vance. Try the next flight just for me, ok? Stan
 
Conflict and resolution!

Conflict and resolution!

Thank you Tim,

In my mind there is no question it is overconfidence.

Short final is a very busy time and I need some extra capacity to manage things when they don’t work out. I feel the camera distracts me enough to reduce my capability to manage divergence from my intentions.

With the steady winds and not much traffic things felt good but that is no reason to relax my vigilance. Wind shear is common on approach to 30 even if everything seems steady and the many local working helicopters have been know to stray from ATC's intentions.

I do love the picture.

I talked to our doctor about Ed’s challenges today and he felt he could find a way to help. He has been a combat surgeon and a helicopter test pilot so it is right up his alley. Ed is going to see him Monday. Fear and panic are related but not the same thing.

Thank you Jay,

I know you wrote to Ed but it is our challenge as a couple.

Your right, I do not understand it at all. I can see it has power over her but I don’t have a frame of reference. I am trying to learn so we can work through it together.

Thank you Jeff,

We have experimented with the details, trying to address the things that seem to trigger it. This last time it was all about the preparation, she had on her jump suit but had not yet put on her helmet.

Thank you Stan,

I hate to think of Ed’s beautiful eyes tearing up as I fly off without her.

I feel that together we can mitigate this challenge.

Character development, conflict and resolution are the basics of drama.

I feel it is good for the book if I am not the only one with challenges.

Hopefully Ed will inspire people who suffer from panic attacks to stretch a little.

Thank you, Vance
 
Ed,
First off, there is no quick solution but there is a solution.
Let me relate a little story to you.
I am afraid of heights; I cant stand to get up on the 4th rung of a ladder. My knees seem to 'lock up'.
I told this to a psychologist friend of mine and this is what he related to me.
The key element to panic attacks is the word 'control'. Fear is initiated by lack of control over various situations.
His example was that when I went up a 'straight' ladder that it would wiggle the higher up you go. Then, he said try a 'triangular shaped' ladder with the base of the steps much wider than the supporting back side. It is infinately more stable and does not move. Therefore, you have control of stability on your side and comfort comes with that.
Once I learned that I actually had control of the aircraft, comfort settled in 'to a degree'.
However, (and this is important) the amount of trepidation that is left over is inate and inborn. It is that (6th) sence of paranoia. That sence is what keeps us alive. It's natural and perfedtly normal. Embrace it, but control it with your intelect. If it is overwhelming, dont fly.
If you choose to go up again, have Vance allow you to take the controls (I assume he has rear controls) and get the 'feel' of moving the Predator around a bit in the sky.
You will see that she responds to your touch and you will experience some control and comfort resulting in disipation of your fear at the same time.
This worked for me. It is no magic bullet but it does work with time. Understand that this is not something that will go away overnight. It may never go away and that is ok too. But, you can control it and become relaxed to a better degree.
Personally, I embrace that fear because I firmly believe it makes me a better & safer pilot.
I sincerely hope that this will work for you. I also agree that it would be beneficial to speak to a group of people who share the same angst. Comparing feeling is a great outlet and builds confidence. You will also get a new outlook on how to cope and even share experiences of other which may help you in your situation. I wish you all the best in your endeavor. Allow yourself plenty of time and approach it gradually. Time is on your side. All the best,
 
Dr Oz did a thing on fear/panic attacks, the gist I got from it was make the problem as big as you possibly can and force yourself using your intellect through it SLOW .So he with his debilletating ( sp?) fear of hieghts ended up on top of a sky scraper forcing himself to the edge one step at a time exploring his bodys reactions and dismissing each one with intellect. Avoiding this confrontation will make the issue bigger and bigger. This episode was recent (within a couple months I think).Ed conquring this will be as big as getting her licence,good luck.
 
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:p

Hello Everyone....Boy this is a busy weekend!
I just wanted to let you all know I have read what you wrote and am appreciative for all the kind words and helpful advice.

I've have been running around like a mad fool so I haven't had a chance to respond

I will respond to each and every post tomorrow I am exhausted...being the Easter Bunny helper is tiresome!

Anyway please look for my post to you all tomorrow...
All my Love! Ed
 
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I am not afraid of flying, of driving my car or riding in the elevator. The feeling that I get is that I am suffocating and what ever tramatic experience(trapped in a CT Scanner) that has left me with this feeling of suffocation...I know it makes no sense,,,but that's the way it all started!!

Well....here's what I learned .

My Doc said that what I am feeling is real and will never go away it is a form of trauma just like post traumatic stress syndrome. The thing we can do is manage it. So that's what we are doing there will probably be a lot of trial and error.

During the exam he discovered that I in fact have high blood pressure which does aggravate my panic attacks. I knew I ha d high blood pressure but never associated the two.

I am now on two different meds one that is fact Tim O' Conner was right about Valium. Vance and I will test it one day at a time.

This stuff seems to make me very drowsy....I keep of falling asleep.

Any ideas are always Thanks for all your support and wonerful input it is Greatly Appreciated!

Love & Hugs Ed!!!!
 
Hello,

thanks a lot for another great report, Vance. So sorry to hear about your persisting issue, Ed. All I knew about it, I have already sent to you, I wish I new more. I was almost hoping it was disease related, because then it could be treated. Hoping all the best, that you get this sorted out, soon.

Kai.
 
Ed,

Sent a PM. There is new research that sheds much light on this condition. There is a quick-fix. Please don't let people convince you otherwise. Really. I can help.

Tom
 
...Just think of your past experiences, close your eyes, feel the wind, and just go flying with Vance. Try the next flight just for me, ok? Stan

Stan, it sounds like talking herself into trying isn't the issue - she's done that and gotten airborne.

A frustrating thing about panic attacks is that they can be triggered by things the sufferer does not fear, so you can't just talk yourself out of them.

Ed, we sure hope you find an answer! Perhaps blood pressure control will be at least part of it. I do know a hypnotherapist who's also a gyroplane pilot. Might be something to try!
 
Ed just a thought!. The attacks seem to come and go. I may be far off base, but I am thinking maybe the helmet.

Maybe the helmet is not on the same each time. Or possibly the way you are looking out of the Predator. What I am thinking is, as the helmet is moving in the airstream that it may be pulling the air from inside the helmet. This would cause rapid breathing, leading to the panic attack, the sweating etc. Just something to ponder.

Ed, This may be way off but Jeff has a point. Back last year I had a helmet that just sucked the breath right out of me causing a panic attack that ended up in the ER with my head hurting so bad I couldnt see stright. Not to mention I was in a single seater on a take off roll, I got it stoped just in time. When this happen it was ruled out to be that I was suffering from Anxiety Attacks. This was a big set back for me,I really thought that it would keep me from flying again. infact I was so determend it would happen again that it keep me out of the seat for a while. I would go to the hanger pull the Gyro out and pre-flight, and my hands would be sweating and the anxiety would set in just from the fear of it happening again.
After mounths of trying to get over it, and time past by still on the ground not sure of myself Bensen Days was around the corner so We packed up and headed down. At Bensen Days I got to fly with Steve In the Black, He put me in the front seat and I had my own Helmet (the Same One from before). Off we went down the runway and almost instant I was in panic from not being able to breath so I held my breath and kept climing, Steve was talking to me but I couldnt answer. He knew right off something was wrong and started to talk me through the return trip back where we started and said that just being in the front seat for the first time would do that to some and to just hang on and all would be fine. I wanted to tell him so bad at that time it was just my helmet but couldnt. After the down wind turn I reached up and pulled down the front visor(that I had added to the helmet)untill it broke. and then I could finaly breath again, I had almost past out right there in the air.
After that flight I relized that the Helmet was the problem all the long, It's never happen again and I have never had any kind of attacks sence. As for the helmet the visor went away that day and I have never experenced anything like it.
I hope this helps.
I would have never thought the helmet was the problem but it was, I had the visor to far in front of my face and the wind was just sucking the air right out of me. the type visor is the one that goes on a heli pilot helmt, it is designed to fit snug over the bridge of your nose. Steve McGowen took one look at it before we went up and said to me, If you ever get into a crash that thing might take your nose off, I just chuckled and Laughed.
I know I wont ever forget the experence.
 
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Ed on the blood pressure if it is not running over 140/90 then you might be able to lower it without much medication by liking two to three times per week. Start with one and work up to two miles. Let your heavy breathing determine when you are pushing your limit. If you can obtain a fifteen minute per mile walk you are a good pace. Also, I did not pick up on this one until my after mother had a stroke. Cut back on green vegetables. They contain vitamin K which thickens the blood.
 
Hello,

thanks a lot for another great report, Vance. So sorry to hear about your persisting issue, Ed. All I knew about it, I have already sent to you, I wish I new more. I was almost hoping it was disease related, because then it could be treated. Hoping all the best, that you get this sorted out, soon.

Kai.
Thanks Kai..
Funny I just was recently reading your Private message that you had sent me. I didn't realize how long this has been going on for me! I hope to get it sorted out soon too thanks for your support!
Cheers! Ed
 
Ed,

Sent a PM. There is new research that sheds much light on this condition. There is a quick-fix. Please don't let people convince you otherwise. Really. I can help.

Tom
Tom...
I am looking forward to the information you say you have that can help me. I would be so grateful. I did PM back with my e-mail address!

Looking forward....Ed
 
Stan, it sounds like talking herself into trying isn't the issue - she's done that and gotten airborne.

A frustrating thing about panic attacks is that they can be triggered by things the sufferer does not fear, so you can't just talk yourself out of them.

Ed, we sure hope you find an answer! Perhaps blood pressure control will be at least part of it. I do know a hypnotherapist who's also a gyroplane pilot. Might be something to try!
Paul,
you are exactly right I wish I knew what was going on because I'd readlly like to switch it off...there is no fear in flying I love it.

Vance says it's seems so strange that I was completely fearless in the beginning when I first started flying with him and now that he is even so much more improved flyer I get scared...well I tried to explain there is no fear in his abilities not now or ever it's the way the weather...the clouds and the wind hitting me in the face and I start to panic and feel like I can't breathe.

When I'm in my car I feel like I can't get enough air and in an elevator I feel the is no escape at all and I'll run out of air? Makes absolutely no sense??

I want to Thanks everyone for sharing their stories...I feel less alone. It's nice to know that even some people have found help to the certain situations! I look forward to answers for mine!

Maybe on Mariah Gale the wind will be blocked better and I'll be able to deal with it!

Thanks All...Ed
 
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