LSA Gyro Petitions DENIED by the FAA - AGAIN !

[ms80831]

So if there are no approved slsa gyros, (which they are not currently any) the LODA's must be issued.

I don't see this as the big issue that many are making it up to be.
Stay safe.

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Maybe you missed the significance of this:

..." The guidance states that a LODA cannot be used for flight training leading toward the issuance of a pilot certificate, rating, or operating privilege..."

To me, I think that one sentence changes the expectations for gyro training in ESLA gyro's in an unsatisfactory way..

 

[PW_Plack]

Heath, read carefully..."flight training for the operation of an ultralight vehicle." The whole crux here is you can't offer training toward any FAA certificate with a LODA in an experimental.

 

[Doug Riley]

Please see my thread (under "Xenon") regarding flight data gathering. If Xenon drivers will submit their experiences (to be kept anonymous), we may be able to convince the FAA to look again at S-LSA gyros.

Thanks.

 

[ms80831]

Please see my thread (under "Xenon") regarding flight data gathering. If Xenon drivers will submit their experiences (to be kept anonymous), we may be able to convince the FAA to look again at S-LSA gyros.

Thanks.

Great idea Doug. I just did....

Mark

 

[gyrodeputy]

Gyro is not an ultralight

Gyro is not an ultralight

Heath, read carefully..."flight training for the operation of an ultralight vehicle." The whole crux here is you can't offer training toward any FAA certificate with a LODA in an experimental.

As I see it, a gyro is not an ultralight. Also we should not forget that an insructor can still teach, charge what he/she wants for the instruction and not charge for the aircraft. This is 100% legal, you don't need a LODA and a student can fly, get instruction and work toward his/her certificate. Alternatively the student could receive instruction in his/her own machine.

Maybe I am over simplifing it, but there MUST be away to continue to provide training or the FAA will be neglegent. I see many amemdments from the FAA before this is over. Specifically, I think the EAA will stay on top of this and get it straightened out.

What really should happen is they should go back to the 5209 and be done with it.

Stay safe.

 

[ms80831]

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What really should happen is they should go back to the 5209 and be done with it.

Stay safe.

Heath

That ship has sailed. They are so far down another route that they would have a hard time justifing that.

Mark

 

[ms80831]

As I see it, a gyro is not an ultralight. Also we should not forget that an instructor can still teach, charge what he/she wants for the instruction and not charge for the aircraft. This is 100% legal,
Stay safe.

Heath

Would you want to risk your investment in a machine, and your reputation on doing something that is a thinly veiled subterfuge. It doesn't pass the smell test and if anything happens, it would only take one student complaint to ruin the CFI for life.

Shouldn't we as American Citizens be able to do what is a service to enhanced safety legally and lawfully, and not turn our CFI's (that are supposed to be teaching respect for the rules) into scofflaws?

Mark

 

[gyroplanes]

Hi Guys,
I spent quite a bit of time talking to Greg Gremminger lately. Greg has made some inroads and is poised to do some very serious negotiating with the FAA. I'd suggest we rest this issue for a while and not chance hindering Greg's efforts.

 

[WHY]

HI Tom I strongly agree, hopefully Greg can find someone in the right place that is willing to accept some tutoring about gyro style aircraft and there by be much better informed and in a position to make progress for us.

Tony

 

[GyroChuck]

I regret posting that information (post 58) about the LODA's with out first getting a little more information.

I think we need to not start a flame war with the FAA. All that will do is jeopardize the efforts of those people who are trying to work in our best interests.

I hope some of the post's here do not alienate those who are only trying to help.

Let's not get inpatient. It will take time.

 

[PW_Plack]

As I see it, a gyro is not an ultralight...

Heath, we're talking past each other. The guidance restricts primary training in an experimental to ultralights only. So it's a problem for any gyros that are not ultralights.

 

[PW_Plack]

...Also we should not forget that an insructor can still teach, charge what he/she wants for the instruction and not charge for the aircraft. This is 100% legal, you don't need a LODA...

Where are you getting this notion? This prohibition is one of the few things spelled out very clearly in the FAR. If you have a source for this other than hangar-talkers, I'd love to see it.

The FAA is not stupid. You can't build the cost of operating your own machine into the instructor rate and get away with it. You'd have better luck selling $150 T-shirts and including a free hour of flight instruction. (That's been tried, too!)

 

[gyrodeputy]

Greg posted some very good details in another thread. I would suggest that we all read it and be patient. I believe that changes are coming and we all need to take a deep breath and wait. Thanks again to Greg for all his hard work.

Stay safe.

 

[PTKay]

Most ridiculous situation.

Gyrocopters, where hundreds are flying since more then half a century are denied
the LSA certificate, while a silly, one of a kind powered parachute buggy is accepted.

Long Live FAA ! ! !

 

[ms80831]

This thread is continued with new information HERE:

http://www.rotaryforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27627



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