R22 Blades come apart in flight.

Sorry that was another "uninformed rather prickish" (is that a word or did I just make it up as usual?) I'll try to restrain myself in the future not to do so! Stan I don't want you to imagine this but that is without clothes on! (not that anything is wrong with having a perfect glorious looking body.....) Weighing in the official weight in always in the morning after the bathroom and no clothes on! You are pretty uninformed about official weighing procedures..... you fake..........read on it a bit..........sheeessssssssss
 
There is no one perfect training helicopter - they've all got issues.

In a perfect world a student would get training in more than one type to learn about those differences & how to deal with them. It'll come in handy later...

I've flown the R22, Bell 47, Hiller 12E, and the 269A - my favorite of the bunch to fly was the Bell 47. It wasn't my favorite to maintain though!

But if I was buying a light piston ship today I'd probably be looking at a 269CB/CBi because it's still in production - the older designs are becoming a problem to support, some parts are getting scarce so the price goes way up. If I was skinnier the R22 would be on my list, but the calendar year overhaul limit wouldn't be a good thing for a private ship that likely doesn't fly a bunch of hours per year.
 
I always watch the "know it all" absolutely inferior pilots in the pilot lounge. The ones that by their age or the number of hours they flew absolutely have the need to prove their undeniable superiority using their condescending manner, ........

Choppergabor,

As I said earlier, I dont know your experience from anyone. I am now guessing that your response back to me was sarcasm??.. But I then dont understand your comments like...."throttle chops banned"...Robinson intended as a"kit" helicopter. These show you to be very uninformed....So which is it? I still dont know.

As for your statement about cocky older pilots....well that is not me....I'm only 37. I have owned 4 helicopters. (built one). Have a commercial and CFI. About 1300hours, just over half of that instructing. Estimating over half of that in Robbies. Trained private/commercial in a 269a and c, and R44astro and raven and R22....and flown enstroms,Robinsons, bells,Hughes....etc. I've had the privilege of lots of great experiences in helicopters including flying the country coast to coast and up and down the east coast many times. I consider myself very lucky to have been able to experience what I have and no ego goes along with it.

I started out with a dream of flying helicopters. Built a turbine powered rotorway. Then moved on to certified ships after a emergency landing in the mountains in the Rotorway.

I then bought a R22. Then I bought another R22 and had 2 for a while. I ran a small flight school for the FUN of it.....It surly was not all that profitable.

After I came to the realisation that my "hobby" was taking away too much time from my family and real work, I decided to just get the helicopter I had always dreamed of....A hughes 500.

As for never giving guys a chance to fly......well you obviously dont know me. I gave away more time then I ever charged for. It is what is wonderful about flying.....Being able to share the experience with others. There is nothing better then giving people the experience of flight. Even when it cost me almost $300/hour to do so.

I was almost killed in and my helicopter was destroyed because I let others fly...(and learned that I trusted people too much.) I have not survived what I have, only to be mischaracterized by you. You obviously dont know me.

So honestly.....you should give people the courtesy of understanding where they come from before you make judgments about them. I gave you that courtesy by asking you about your experience. The fact that you decided to be sarcastic (I think), only shows your character and desire to fuel an emotional argument rather then a factual one. Not something I am interested in........
 
Stan you liar! I just pulled your license from the FAA. Liar!
 
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Travis I don't know you and I don't know anything about your past. And quite frankly don't care either. There is no need to explain nor make an attempt to convince a guy like me. It's not worth your effort. Believe me. I couldn't refer to you for the very reason I just mentioned. I am sorry for what happened to you and I guarantee I would not make fun in any way of one's misfortune. I am not that low. Although......Nahhhhh I am not. I was referring to 174TA's total loss in North Carolina and I couldn't find it. I own a piece of that ship that's why I was searching. So your emotional outburst was not based on anything but reading stuff into what I write. Again! Cool down sit back and enjoy life. Don't try to find something where there is nothing to be found! BTW. I don't recall NTSB reports actually naming people in reports. And I wouldn't know who to look for even if I was searching. I don't know you remember? To me you are Jtravis1 I didn't even bother to look you real name up. Go ahead check it! May peace be with you and good luck of recovering from your terrible mishap. Seriously. I wish that to you. And as for that 174 accident I still wonder why it didn't get recorded......maybe an insurance fraud behind it? Just thinking out loudly and uninformally. If that's a word....
 
Choppergabor

I think you misunderstood me.....I did NOT think you were referring to my accident. I was directly referring to your very long post, which I quoted a section, about characterization of experienced pilots as cocky and know-it-all and not being open to giving those with less experience a chance.

No big deal....trust me on this one....The accident has been played out so many times very publicly and there is little that can be said that has not been already.

I am just happy to be here to debate a little helicopter stuff. Just did not want people to fear a ship which I know to be as safe as it is.

One other 22 story. When I bought my 1st R22, I picked it up in Las Vegas and flew it back to NC over three days. On the night before the last leg, a squall line that stretched from Mississippi to Maine passed through. Although very clear then next day....it was the roughest winds I have ever flown in.

On a 600 mile leg from Starkville Mississippi to Charlotte, there was not a SINGLE light plane in the air that day. (I was on flight following and monitoring local airports on a second com as I passed them). At airports I stopped at winds were over 30 with 15-20 kt gust spreads.

I had to cruise at 50-60 kts because I would get hit with gusts that would take me right up to VNE. I would be cruising along then all of a sudden, my VSI would peg and I would be climbing at over 2000fpm! I never have been in anything like that. I had a new respect for the 22 after it brought me home that day. When I landed at my home airport, my biggest worry is that the blades would sail on shutdown and hit the tailboom. Never has a rotorbrake been so useful. Even in those winds, I could still do a hovering pedal turn without fear of LTE. Try that in a 300. Anyway...the 22 is a great little ship and a very safe one at that.

Not taking away anything from the 269/300.....but if I had to take a flight from here to Florida in the middle of the night on a moonless night, over the blacker then black that is along the way.....I would pick the 22. It is a great reliable ship. Its weakness is it is not as crash worthy as the 300.....but the seatwells do a great job of limiting lower spinal compression fractures.
 
Yeah you do run out of pedal on the 269 very quickly. It is one of it's weaknesses. And having less then desirable aerodynamic design of the cabin......unlike the Robbie. THey most definitely went with comfort of elbow space over streamlining.
 
Personally, I would feel FAR safer in a stable gyro than in any helicopter, in calm or hairy conditions. There are just too many things that can go haywire in a helicopter....not to mention the maintenance expense.....even if I could afford it, I would not have one.
 
Just wanted to say that Gabor is OK by me.....He was kind enough to contact me to make sure there was no misunderstanding. Stand up move and I appreciate it. We are not as far apart as it might seem ;)

Anyway....happy and safe flying for all! You can never have enough training!
 
Peace Justin! :) BTW I don't see Stan disputing the license copy I found on him.... I need a better contact at FAA.....
 
Stan what exactly is the sex: M/F mean on your license? Marginal / Fair? Or is the F for Ford truck?
 
Peace Justin! :) BTW I don't see Stan disputing the license copy I found on him.... I need a better contact at FAA.....


Hey I met Stan one time.....at least I think it was him????.....he must have had a wig on and colored contacts in to blend in better ;) ;) ;)

Happy safe flying to all!

PS....Stan...been following your progress...can't wait to see you realise your dream. You have built a beautiful ship. Good luck!
 
Justin- Thanks for the kind comment. I really felt for you going through what you did. You had done such a beautiful job on that Hughes, and I have never seen such a helicopter demonstration you were doing at Homers 2008. I hope you get back to where you were. Take care. Glad to see you posting and still have a deep interest in helicopters. Stan
 
Its a Certificate, Certification of skills set to a minimum standard,A Licence is a TAX and no skill required,I can't stand Taxes...........
 
I looked in the definitions section of the FAR and is says M/F means "mostly fictional."

Hahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa I almost spit on myself! ROFL. First I misread it and I read it as Mostly Functional LOL. Oh my I am tearing up here. I'd hate to know where they got that info from. I am sure Stan didn't fill out a survey....so it had to be Barbara!
 
Gabor- At least I have an original certificate to pull up and change the wording. You had to start from scratch! Stan
 
Gabor- At least I have an original certificate to pull up and change the wording. You had to start from scratch! Stan

Can't win today....I should stop while I am ahead. Stan you are an upstanding man. Thank you for this beautiful piece of wood. :) You're still fake you Ford truck lover, squirrel eating, smoked rib terrorist!
 
Gabor- Can you imagine a whole stairway made out of brazilian cherry? That stuff is like iron, and does it ever take a finish. A fly can't land on it it is so slick. Stan
 
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