2 unscheduled landings in 1 day

Well, now we know Raton knows as little about mustering as he does about flying a gyro. Watches a couple videos and he's an expert.
 
Tim,do you know who raton is? He knows more than you all think.I am sitting here pissing myself just thinking ,where is the zip!!.
Look outside the square and cut the emotions.
Kym.
 
Kym,

Ok I give up, who is Raton?????????

Is it really Ron Awad made up the name and profile just to make us all crazy.

Really, can this Raton be this nieve of gyro's I ask myself.

A while back I made a few comments to Raton and just didn't waste my time any further.

I figured this guy must surely be a made up name and profile by someone messin with us.

OK whoever Raton is come on out and expose yourself!!!!!!!

We are onto you so quit making all this nonsence up.

Game is over now.....
 
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Tim,do you know who raton is?
Kym.

Doesn't matter who Raton is. He's obviously just here for the purpose of playing games and yanking chains...

and anyway, I'll bite ..

...Raton, I make the assumption that Birdy knows how to muster cattle, (as I make the assumption you know a bit about engines) ... I presume the bit of zipping around the mob we see on video is posted because it is a whole lot more interesting to the average punter than seeing him poking a mob in the right direction for ten kilometers.

... I presume Birdy has more hours than most, and from what he posts and by the responses from experienced gyro flyers, I take it for granted his brain is pretty well hard wired to those rotors ... he knows how they respond under most conditions and is able to express that clearly (and that is probably one of the more useful bits of information for those starting out)...

... and gyros in those those parts of the world are ideal for more than just mustering - a far more efficient and cheaper way to check bores and other water sources that bumping along in a Tojo all day long in the heat and dust at 50 kliks ....

.... and please get your definitions a bit more correct too, Raton. Calling someone a show pony when they spend most of their time dodging cameras is a bit off the mark.

Well, that 's it from me. :rant:

Now I will just sit back and wait for this pr*ck to pop out the phonebox in his cape and underpants.:wacko:
 
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All wandered a bit far from Shawn's precautionary landings.
 
Raton, not positive however have see mustering videos by Birdy and saw very little evidence of crews on the ground.

Helicopters are used to muster the cattle and work with a ground crew on motorbikes and in trucks. Annual cattle muster is that helicopters are used in the process, due to the huge tracts of land that have to be covered. The helicopters go down low ,shockingly low and lot of the cattle hide, brahman cows are bloody smart, and very stubborn, you can't push them too hard and If they get hot and upset, they can get really pi***ed off and then they won't change their minds when they hear you coming so you have to find them and draw them out one spends hours up there going back and forth when in the midst of a full muster, making it sometimes very hard to herd the cattle into areas that act as pens, adding more and more cattle as they go along so that you eventually have thousands of head of cattle being driven by helicopter, horse and quad bike through to the station sorting pens and if birdy thinks for a moment a gyro will do the heli works.. well he is kidding and being a show pony. As the R22 had some problems due not being designed for cattle mustering ,which may exceed the limits set during the type's certification process, cattle stations owners are resourcing to Gyros with limited success, to do the job proper one needs a few if not 3 choppers on hand.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38JtJnr3DiQ

Would venture my opinion that the mustering is pretty much Birdy on his own.

Yes , correct, his own version what mustering is all about

You seem to enjoy stirring on the forum, hope you enjoy actual flying as much.

No, by the same taking no one deserves being called an idiot for giving a opinion and in respect of flying dislike the bragging but been doing it since I was 12 and have some experience.

raton


Well Rat now i must humbly appoligise cause i was wrong to call you a prawn, you my friend are an absolute C**k head, because after watching the video,if you are judging mustering by that video, that guy flying the helicopter caused most of the problems he was trying to fix, you see there is pilots and there is mustering pilots, and yes if you get the cattle hot it dont matter wheither your in a gyro or a chinook you might as well fly away.

So if these gyros are no good for mustering why then do you think we do it???
Why do you think Birdy asks for gyros to muster every year and not a heli???
What makes you think there is a team of ground crew every time we muster??
Why do you say we dont get down low???
Can you explain why the ends of my rotors are green then????

I invite you to come and fly with me FREE of charge, and i guarantee you will change your mind.

I agree Stan this is good value for laughs.
 
is a danger to himself and to others and know by his pears just as a loud mouth show pony...
You better believe idiot. :)


Go and see some western movies, cows don’t like noises.
Ha ha ha, geez rat, your a real classic.
Yeh, like everythn you see in the movies is wot goes on in the real world.
F***n classic. :) :)


Helicopters are used to muster the cattle and work with a ground crew on motorbikes and in trucks. Annual cattle muster is that helicopters are used in the process, due to the huge tracts of land that have to be covered. The helicopters go down low ,shockingly low and lot of the cattle hide, brahman cows are bloody smart, and very stubborn, you can't push them too hard and If they get hot and upset, they can get really pi***ed off and then they won't change their minds when they hear you coming so you have to find them and draw them out one spends hours up there going back and forth when in the midst of a full muster, making it sometimes very hard to herd the cattle into areas that act as pens, adding more and more cattle as they go along so that you eventually have thousands of head of cattle being driven by helicopter, horse and quad bike through to the station sorting pens and if birdy thinks for a moment a gyro will do the heli works.. well he is kidding and being a show pony. As the R22 had some problems due not being designed for cattle mustering ,which may exceed the limits set during the type's certification process, cattle stations owners are resourcing to Gyros with limited success, to do the job proper one needs a few if not 3 choppers on hand.
For anyone interested in the truth, this is all absolutly correct.
Why would i have a gyro.?
Why else do others round ere call up the trusty ferel first, even posponeiong a job for a few days, just so's they get the gyro.?
Why, on several occasions, would the 'boss' tell the R22 bloke to park up, coz the gyros got um sorted?
And Rat, see'n as your the self proclamed spert ere, why do them naughty brahman cows bail up in the first place?

Wot would i know?
Iv only been workn cows since i sh1t me first nugget, only been usen gyros for 13 years [ r22s before that BTW], only maken a liven outa grown moos, without any taxpayer help in any way,................... .

But rat, mate, tell me more, i dont think iv ever known sumone as clever as you. ;)
 
Go and see some western movies, cows don’t like noises. A mustering *pilot doesn’t rouse the cows together, he fly’s above radios the crew below were the cows are, they by way of bikes, horses and whatnot ,get them together, in fact they to the job, and the show pony above has a good time...

raton

* meaning birdy

ARRRRRRRR durrrr how do you think we move them,,, with the noise, now you picking it up. ;)
 
Hmmm seems some of the mustering experts have ventured their opinions Raton.

Perhaps something about off field landings now, we all want to know how they should be performed.
 
Shawn, call Doug at Air Command for a price on a new 503.

Hope you get one soon......of course I'd like to see your install also !
 
Settle down and Go back and read post 85.We not only have a show pony but also a hormonal mole in way of a bird.
One or both of us must respond.
Kym.
 
I think ratn a boscar are twin sisters, still joind, by the head, and are realy pissed that they aint able to be anythn other than old [ never] has beens that will go to the grave without accomplishn anythn useful.
But all is not lost you two poor dears, youv been good entertainment . :) :)
 
Working as a heli mustering companies in Australia (since you can’t remember your hr) most probably they would give you a job since you could not prove you have 500hr dual time, R22 (main rotor rpm governor) Betta 2 This is perhaps offering your services in to the cattle mustering with your gyro without any luck, even if by any chance you get a job it would be totally illegal under SECTION 95.12 CAO 95.12.. you can ask you mate Tim McClure if not sleeping at the wheel he should know. By the way the posted video compares the hollybirdywood to a real mustering pilot

So if these gyros are no good for mustering why then do you think we do it???

You do some spotting a bit of pushing around but you can hover, turn in your axis or get back and line up the cow

Why do you think Birdy asks for gyros to muster every year and not a heli???


Gyro mustering (and I say that very lightly) cost peanuts, heli mustering got to have money boy, 9.000 cows one needs 3 helis to keep’em in line

What makes you think there is a team of ground crew every time we muster??

Did know you send out invitation cards to the cows for a party at the pens

Why do you say we dont get down low???

Low yes, but not very slow for long time, unless your cows are grazing at a golf park

Can you explain why the ends of my rotors are green then????

Well one could be acute blindness ,just bloody stupid taking risk or painted them green to make you look cool, in any event rotor clipping could be fatal. I used to be very careful turning downwind, especially above trees no to bad close to ground, buy hundred feet up in a gyro..? flat country, mate if you don’t know, gusty wind, heat making horrible thermals and some turbulence that will make shake even your bones

I invite you to come and fly with me FREE of charge, and i guarantee you will change your mind.

Thanks mate, I have my own toys to fly with.

I agree Stan this is good value for laugh

Let’s wait Stan finishes his toy and only then he will understand the differences..

raton
 
Raton- Birdy can do more with a gyro than I ever will with my helicopter, as far as doing it down low and safely. I am just a greenhorn with a helicopter and will be for years to come. I never was trained in a gyro,,but my helicopter training reinforced what I already knew about helicopters.. The height/velocity chart eats up more of the page.

My hat is off to the musterers like Birdy. I feel his nerves are connected clear out to the rotor tips. I wouldnt have that kind of connection in 10 lifetimes.


Stan
 
Unhappy people always want to take others down with them. We, who respond are the stupid ones. It's like bashing your head against a wall.
Rotor head. If your engine hiccuped, it doesn't sound like a seizure. I think you did the right thing. If you are more aware that a problem could exist, then you just fly safer, get height etc. Have you found the problem yet? Just wondering, is there a simply fuel flow meter on the market?
 
Raton- Birdy can do more with a gyro than I ever will with my helicopter, as far as doing it down low and safely. I am just a greenhorn with a helicopter and will be for years to come. I never was trained in a gyro,,but my helicopter training reinforced what I already knew about helicopters.. The height/velocity chart eats up more of the page.

My hat is off to the musterers like Birdy. I feel his nerves are connected clear out to the rotor tips. I wouldnt have that kind of connection in 10 lifetimes.


Stan


Stan.. since you mention being a greenhorn with a helicopter take it from me having some experience with helicopters, a gyro is an abortion in motion of an helicopter. Don’t try to connect your feelings with reality of flying a helicopter, mistake there are unforgiving.

raton
 
the first thing I wonder is why these two won't show thier face.I wonder if they ahve a motive for goading birdy and challenging him to declare whether or not he musters for anyone besides himself,which raton declares illegall.I learned from those westerns not to trust any dirty rat that hides behind a mask or lies about who he is
 
Stan.. since you mention being a greenhorn with a helicopter take it from me having some experience with helicopters, a gyro is an abortion in motion of an helicopter. Don’t try to connect your feelings with reality of flying a helicopter, mistake there are unforgiving.

raton

Hello Paul,

What does abortion in motion of a helicopter mean?

Thank you, Vance
 
Go and see some western movies, cows don’t like noises.
Ha ha ha, geez rat, your a real classic.

Mate.. you are losing money, maybe your cows are dancing prima donnas but cattle are prone to stress-induced weight loss, known as 'shrinkage, stressed cows before the slaughter have llow glycogen reserves and less lactic acid, leading to a higher pH. and the meat will be less tender therefore Japs/Chinese pay less, cows aren't as easy to round-up as some may want you want make to believe , It isn't a matter of just flying around the cattle and 'mobbing' together all day and forcing them to react as expected, besides one must work in the direction of the lead stockman from a central point, he will tell the chopper pilot where he wants his cows and only once in line , he takes over.

So you recon you can do mustering with a gyro, so what would you do with a mad fat bull charging at you with and idling gyro, pull pitch to get out of the way...?

raton
 
Hello Paul,

What does abortion in motion of a helicopter mean?

Thank you, Vance

Hello Vance

Paradoxically the question coming from you since you wrote “In my experience the voices on the inside drown out reality and these unfortunate people are not able to learn” but the reality for you to learn from the unfortunates is the a Gyro isn’t a finish Helicopter, In theory one can build an autogyro around any helicopter rotor not the other way around, but that does not imply that the machines are equal. This really is a humongous difference, autogyro is a lift-generating craft, a helicopter is a tilted-thrust aircraft. Abortion perhaps is to crass..maybe politically correct.

Thank you raton
 
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