No stab and no hands

[Harry_S.]

Allright, you like yours n' I like mine. Beauty is in the eye of the behoder.


Cheers

 

[magilla]

Yours is beautiful, Harry

Yours is beautiful, Harry

Harry, no joke, yours is one beautiful machine.

Heck, I'm just putting pictures up of another guys' acft.

My Jungle Gym tractor is going to be good for me, but it will never look as sleek as yours.

I hope to have this thing flying the end of the summer...

 

[Harry_S.]

Heck Spencer, I know or, I realize what you meant. I was just playin' wit ya. Most of us'ns just like to get airbourne in whatever?! I've tried just about everything, even jumpin' out of 'em, except the powered parachute...and I'd like to do that one time anyhow.

I envy your drivin' them UH-60's around almost every day. I never got to fly anything much bigger than a Brantly B2B but I loved it.

I tried to click on your photos to get a better detailed look...but no. Can you make them bigger, say 800 x 600?!

Keep us posted on your progress , with pics, of course. We all like to look at photos.


Cheers

 

[magilla]

try these pics....

try these pics....

I resized the pics. Gonna have to take more of the beast since I got a new battery, spinner, and intake/carb mounted.

Working on the instrument panel and wiring, and then we'll fire her up!!

 

[magilla]

More pics

More pics

more pics for y'all

 

[StanFoster]

Spencer: I with Harry....whatever gets us airborne is awesome.


Nice project you have going. There is nothing like building your own gyrocopter.


Stan

 

[DennisFetters]

So along came Fetters, the Hasselohs and their uncle along with several others whose sole qualification in the mechanics of flight was knowing how to drill a hole in a piece of aluminum.

Wow Beaty, you still talking? I noticed how you sidestepped around and completely ignored my challenge to put your money where your mouth is. You totally ignored my challenge to stack up your completed designs against my list. Here, let's try again;

Rotax 532 powered Bensen B8M Gyroplane

Prototype Air Command Gyroplane

Air Command 447 Commander

Air Command 503 Commander

Air Command 532 Commander

Air Command 582 Commander

Air Command 582 SXS Duel Seat Commander

Air Command 582 Duel Seat Tandem Commander

Air Command Commander Elite (includes all engines)

Air Command Commander Elite Jump-Takeoff Demonstrator

Mini-500 Single Place Helicopter

Mini-500 Talon Single-Place Helicopter (improved performance)

Voyager-500 Two-Place Helicopter

SkyCam-503 STOL UAV Gyroplane (Jump and POP versions)

Star-Lite FB-503A VTUAV two-Blade Helicopter

Star-Lite FB-503B VTUAV Heavy Lift Four-Blade Helicopter

You have always been a lot of talk, no real action. Even in the old days I only seen you talking, while I was flying the designs I built. In fact you are a two-faced hypocrite the way you acted being so kind and friendly to my face, then acting like this out of slapping range. You have no right you discredit me.

So put up or shut up, or will you and your coolies just come up with more words in place of what you can't compare? Or just ignore me again and hope the challenge will go away?

For those reading that think this is harsh, just read some of the untrue and unfounded things that was said about me. I'm only disrespectful to those that disrespect me first.

 

[dragonflyerthom]

Dennis will you PM me your phone number. I would like to talk to ya.

 

[C. Beaty]

Sure, I can respond to that Dennis.

All of your Air Commands were missconfigured, dolled up Bensens. Underslung, inverted engines with elevated propeller thrust lines exacerbated whatever problems as existed as well as introducing new ones:

(1) Rotax engines have catch trays under the transfer passages for collecting oil which feeds the main bearings via drilled passages. Main bearings are starved for oil when operated inverted. Your former CFI, Tony Stone once brought me a half dozen 532 cranks to be pressed apart for new main bearings but in most cases, the bearings had locked and ruined the crankcase.

(2) Watercooled Rotax engines have blind pockets in the water jackets when operated inverted that makes purging virtually impossible. Even if purging is successful, these pockets become vapor/steam traps over time.

Rotax engines were not designed to run inverted and it’s inexcusable to do so simply for the sake of aesthetics.

I don’t know much about your Mini-500s except that they were slavish copies of Agusto Cicare’s helicopter with added doll up items which increased the weight beyond the ability of a Rotax 582 to cope.

 

[barnstorm2]

...... I noticed how you sidestepped around and completely ignored my challenge to put your money where your mouth is.

....You have always been a lot of talk, no real action. .... then acting like this out of slapping range. You have no right you discredit me.

....... Or just ignore me again and hope the challenge will go away?.

Speaking of side stepping, completely ignoring challenges and putting your money were your mouth is...

I am still awaiting and answer on this:

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Quote:
Originally Posted by DennisFetters
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Now, as for the War over the Acronyms, You can call them what you want, correct or not. But you are stating it opposite to how anyone else in aviation does it. Everyone bases it off the Center Line of the prop, not the CG of the aircraft. You should get in line with the rest of aviation if you want to get anywhere.



Quote:
Originally Posted by DennisFetters
LCLT has always meant Low Center Line Thrust
HCLT has always meant Hight Center Line Thrust



You have made this statement before.

Chuck has been good enough to tell us where the terms common on this forum came from and Dean has been good enough to explain the terms so described have been in use on this forum since it's inception. Also, I would like to state that these same terms were used without incident on Norm's forum.

Would you be kind enough to post references to places where "everyone else in aviation" is using them? Perhaps some journals or times you have used them in engineering articles for aeronautical magazines?

I am ready to accept and document the nessary corrections, I just need your references. I know it wont be much trouble for you to find many such references to these terms that are so primary to the rest of the avation world that we would not be accepted by mis-using them.

......................

And also in the previous thread requesting your disertation on how CLT gyroplanes can PPO and the request for your engineering creditionals...

....... I'm only disrespectful to those that disrespect me first.

Apparently anyone who does not share your 'opinion' on physics or a number of other topics instantaly disrespects you opening the door for your behavior to them...

.

 

[Harry_S.]

I do believe MOST or ALL of this tit for tat crap should be duked out in private. That is...e-mail or PM's or the telephone.

If I were in charge, I would delete the deleterious posts and notify the poster of why I removed the post.

To put it bluntly...this kind of crap don't serve any of us any good. Everyone can consider the source and can make their own decisions. Let's get rid of the belittling and asinine BS.

It's too late to fly, so sleep well and fly asta.


Cheers

 

[C. Beaty]

Look at the number of hits, Harry, ~4500. Some people evidently find this thread informative or at the least, entertaining.

Then there are some people who believe their ox is being gored and holler for the censors.

 

[Harry_S.]

Look at the number of hits, Harry, ~4500. Some people evidently find this thread informative or at the least, entertaining.

Then there are some people who believe their ox is being gored and holler for the censors.

Meaning what, Chuck?


Cheers

 

[C. Beaty]

I expect most people understand the meaning of 4500 hits, Harry.

That leaves the meaning of “ox getting gored” to be explained.

Dennis has a cavalcade of followers who take comfort in having him reinforce their misconceptions; “CLT is so much BS” or words to that effect.

When someone disputes that notion, some call for censorship.

 

[Vance]

Hello Spencer,

I feel you have taken over a particularly fine project.

I feel that you are just the man to make her something even more remarkable.

I wish you all the best and I will be cheering for you every step of your journey.

I hope you will solicit advice from some of the knowledgeable here on the forum. There will always be detractors. There is a wealth of knowledge and experience here if you are willing to ask.

Thank you, Vance

 

[magilla]

I'm lucky....

I'm lucky....

Thank You Vance!! I appreciate the vote of confidence!

Ron Herron teaches about 5 minutes from where I work. I just don't like to drain anyone because I am a sponge - and he is a busy man.

The PRA Chapter 6, (Thanks to Thom) is getting back up on its feet, and I met a few gyro folks, as well as a CFI - Ron Menzie.

The original builder of the Jungle Gym (Joe Terminella), even though he sold it to me, has a vested interest in watching his design fly successfully, and has been more than gracious answering questions.

The engine and prop builders have been downright phenomenal. Larry and Gene Smith at Valley Engineering VW (designers and producers of the 'backyard flyer' and Valley Engineering PSRU) bent over backwards to get a 10 year old engine of theirs running like a champ.

So, all I need to do now is complete the dash and get the gauges mounted, and get 'er running.

I will hand start the 27' DW's for now,until I can find a suitable way to get the RFD hydro pre-rotator working.

Option 1: buy a new intake manifold and carb (I'm thinking aerocarb), get a machine shop to do a little work on the redrive, and I can use Joe T's original set-up.

Option 2: get a 3hp electric chainsaw motor to spin the hydro pump. (approx 7 lbs) only 8 amps....

Option 3: get a 4 hp 2-stroke bike motor (used for bicycles) and attach to the hydro pump (14 pounds total) Only $70.00

Option 4: Figure out a driveshaft, belt, and friction mount from the back of a VW engine to the hydro pump.

I can't wait to fly this thing!!!

 

[C. Beaty]

A couple words, Spencer.

Ron Menzie is first cabin among gyro CFIs.

DW rotors are can be hand started with patience, experience and a strong arm. Most folks shouldn’t even try.

 

[birdy]

To put it bluntly...this kind of crap don't serve any of us any good.
Do you realy think so Harry?
Solong as the thread is still on topic, and related to gyros in some way, then i recon its got value.
I wouldnt know any of the posters on this thread if i triped over them, but wen you read sum of the crap sum of them post, its an eye opener to people like me as to who is actualy do'n the typn, of their experiance levels AND their understanding of gyros.
If readers only had a profile of posters to go by, with hours flown, machines built and wotever else he thinks gives him credability, then the reader will not get a true picture of who he is listening to.

Iv said it before. Hours flown, students passed, # of machines built or anythn else sumone writes bout himself dont mean jack**** bout his actual understanding of gyros. I know sum people with alota time in the air, with next to no understanding of the principals.
Threads like this give readers the oppertunity to cull out the bullsh1ters from the ones who actualy know.

 

[groundhog]

Beyond the fact that it obviously shows who knows what thier talking about.The banter back and forth tends to sharpen my focus on the physics.It is the most entertaining way to read and re-read the basics.I've said it before thank you Mr Beaty for your patience and perserverance. Those that try to argue with physics will never learn but the debate helps our education.

 

[GyroRon]

Spencer.... once again I will add that you can DITCH that hydro pre rotator system and just use a electric car starter... much simpler and easier to use. Contact Ultracruiser41 on the forum here, he adapted a car starter to his RFD rotorhead and it has worked just fine for him. His takeoffs are only just slightly longer than mine.