Another Engine To Consider

Victor 1 and 2 are H2O cooled. but not flying around hear.
and I see the Matra m72 is going to use the MPE 750 in it with the lowest hp, like 50HP.
 
Phil, Can you see if the engine in your sled has anywhy to mount a plate to the PTO end of the case to fit a gear PSRU to it like empty bolt holes? and how is the starter / ringgear mounted on yours?
 
Redline Revolt is no longer making snowmobils but the company was bought out by a group in N Dakota who has the engine 75 hp in an ATV vehicle. It is running off of the clutch setup like a snowmobil.
Dan of Weber , ask me if I would be running the same out put drive as a snowmobile. I did not give him too much information as I did not want the door slammed in my face for asking about aircraft use.
 
Brent, the engine has lots of mounting holes in both ends. That is how it is mounted in the sled.
Its tucked away in there fairly tight in order to keep the center of gravity low on the whole sled.
Its really hard to see but I think there is just a shallow pan on the engine bottom and the engine uses the dry sump system which is a good thing.
One of these days I will have to remove the exhaust system to get a better look because I havent found the starter yet!
The dealer told me its in the middle area of the engine but I cant seem to see it yet!
I took some pictures. I will shrink them down and post them for you.
 

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It is a car that is going to be sold in the UK or france euro land.

It is going to be sold here first. They are looking at the southwest market according to press release. Maybe you can see the engine better in these pic.
 

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There's such a thing as too much power!

There's such a thing as too much power!

Just for history's sake, I'll mention that the Rotax engine was in the Bombadier snowmobile. I think Polaris used it in the late 70s. And the old Cuyuna engine was also a snowmobile engine. Both engines ended up in ultralight aircraft in the early 80s because of a high horsepower-to-weight ratio.

From the safety viewpoint, I want to mention that there such a thing as too much power! When a gyroplane is designed, the designer selects materials and the cross-sections of airframe components based on projected airspeeds and loading. A gyro designed to fly 60 mph with a 45 hp engine becomes a new, untested projectile when more power is added!

Put it another way. If your gyro airframe is designed to fly 60 mph and you pack on enough power to fly it at 80 mph, what happens? First off, you're flying much faster than it was designed to fly. Something could break more easily because you're putting more stress on it. Second, your ability to maneuver may be compromised. Maneuvers you could do at 60 mph could break the airframe at 80 mph. The sensitivity of your controls is also likely to increase, making higher-G maneuvers more likely.

There's a tendency right now for larger horsepower engines to be used on two-place gyros. Unless you're a gyro designer with engineering experience, please, please, please contact the designer of your gyro before you put an engine of larger horsepower or greater thrust on it! This is especially true if you're planning to put it on a single-place gyro.

Moral of the story: Contact the gyro designer before adding horsepower, so they can be the test pilots instead of you!
 
There's a tendency right now for larger horsepower engines to be used on two-place gyros.

Well noted. To my way of thinking, this is akin to "The bigger the job, the bigger the hammer!". Far, FAR better is to increase the aerodynamic afficiency of the fuselage, and REDUCE the power required. For example, the Razorback (sketch shown below as it goes for CNC shaping of the fuse this week) will be powered by an engine which produces 80HP in the cruise. That's all that is required to have it flying comfortably at 120kts.

The tiny RTFM technology testbed gyro, (also sketched below) will be flying on 40HP continuous, although at a more conservative 90kts. This radically reduces up-front costs, fuel consumption and weight. The little gyro engine weighs only 73lbs... Adding bigger and bigger engines to shove aerodynamically dirty machines through the air is ill-advised, in my opinion.

Just my 2c
Duncan
 

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Gyro power. I am looking at the MPE 750. as a replacement for the Rotax 912, 912S, and 914. 80HP to 114hp range.
I don't see anything bad about changing motors on a well designed gyro.
What is bad is a gyro made to be a 254 pound UL (gyrobees) that someone thinks it can use a 618 without anyother changes to the airframe.
But a gryo that is know to fly with motors from the rotax 503 to the 914 was made for that change in weight and loads. (Dominators).

The power is not in the sword. It is in the hand that wheels it.
 
HP requirements

HP requirements

Kerry,
I agree with you. I am looking for an alternative 4 stroke engine that is in the same perimeters as my Mac. 70 hp at about 80 lbs. There are Macs flying in Kb2's with 90hp.
I have heard of more safety problems from gyros with two little power than two much. I do agree that more power means more things to consider.

Duncan,
You are looking for that magic 80hp as well. We are looking for the same engine in a price that is affordable by many. Even die hard Rotax fans will benefit if another engine can compete with the Rotax at a better price.
PTKay,
I have already emailed them and they are expensive. I would rather buy the Jabari which is the same engine.

Brent,
I don't know if the 750 will fit the bill or not. It does show that more and more light 4 strokes are hitting the market. I see the outboards market is claiming some of their engines were auto engines. Honda, Suzuki, and Nissian
 
I have already emailed them and they are expensive. I would rather buy the Jabiru which is the same engine.

I agree with you.
But not the same, better in some way.
It runs without electric power.
And has much more hours on many machines...
BTW: what's the price ?
 
From AVweb on LSA:

"Vulcan Aircraft Engines displayed its Vulcan concept powerplant,
which is close to being flight tested. President Kevin Sweeney
said the four-cylinder horizontal-inline diesel will be in the air
by Sun 'n Fun, with demo flights in the company's CH701
scheduled for Oshkosh. It's an all-new design that fits
within the profiles of the Rotax 912 "not accidentally," said Sweeney."

Anybody knows anything more ?
Web page ?
(google fails)

:(
 
Just a small update on the starter on this MPE750
I did notice it was very quiet when starting.
This is because the engine does not use a flywheel or bendix.
It instead uses a sprag clutch which engages to a sprocket on the cam chain system.
The starter is in the middle but on the back side where I couldnt see it.
In my case I could get at it easy if I just remove or slide the gas tank back.;)
 
I now have 250 miles on this thing and love it more every day!
Very quiet and smooth and really good on gas.The gas milage is even more than double that of a 2 stroke sled of the same size.
I have been checking the snowmobile forums and no body has been able to blow one up yet.
Some guys are changing turbos etc and are running them as high as 185 HP so it probably wont be long before someone grenades one!:lol:
 
Polaris has NEVER used a rotax engine (at least not in a production model in the time frame I have been selling working on or racing them the oldest one I have currently is a '72)

Sorry, I just spent to many years Spanking Rotax's and sending them home broke to have you Dis Polaris that way. They are having enough trouble ( of their own making) with their reputation right now.
 
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